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Than how do you explain his (successful) campaign against the free google chat that competes with Campfire? Google shut it down, basically, because it's "unfair to J.Fried". Since Google did it, nobody else dare to compete directly with Basecamp, as is.

Diaspora is a paradigm shift, and it will be easier to implement a better Basecamp without single point of registration and billing.

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Your comments indicate less of a reasoned argument on the topic, and more of a personal animosity toward Jason Fried, 37Signals or both.

Perhaps you should step back and take a deep breath?

Not a bit. They are a great company, great products and great inspiration.

I just think that this post is ugly. He could wait a while, let them finish the finance, let them work, and in a few months write about the results. The rush, the hurry, the strong word ("a curse") is - to me - too bold to be pure "startup/product advice" issue.

And you tell me, please, why there is no project management solution in Google Apss

Because they haven't wanted to build one....

You are not trolling, are you?

I am sorry, but do you think that Jason can "shut down" something that Google makes, just with his writing?

And seriously, the idea of Diaspora competing with BaseCamp takes some imagination! At such an abstract level, almost any web app could be said to compete with any other web app.

> You are not trolling, are you?

Of course he is. Isn't that obvious.

Are you talking about HuddleChat? It was a demo-app and was a blatant rip-off of Campfire.

Nobody dares to compete with Basecamp? Are you kidding me?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_project_managemen...

Huddle-chat was free. They shut it down for no reason but J Fried loud "Google is evil" complains. Techcrunch here http://techcrunch.com/2008/04/08/google-to-close-huddlechat/ Gigaom here: http://gigaom.com/2008/04/09/in-the-huddlechat-debacle-a-les... So we have to pay for Campfire. And nobody did Basecamp as is, which is not that complicated, for the same reason.

You're rambling.

Basecamp alternative: http://lessprojects.com/ - Status: Not shut down.

Basecamp alternative: https://www.hoisthq.com/ - Status: Private beta

Free, open-source Campfire alternative: https://echowaves.com/ - Status: Not shut down.

And these are just the ones I know about (OK, I had to Google for a second to find EchoWaves).

Final nail in the coffin: If 37S was "competing" by shutting down competitors, why are they innovating their products at the pace they are? The Campfire of today doesn't look like the Campfire HuddleChat ripped off.

But not in Google Apps! Google had no problem to add tasks (talk to remember the milk). But why not project management? BTW - it's fair. J.Fried is using his ammunition to protect his business. But let's just call it what it is.

Reg innovative: Huddle chat was written in weeks. We can only guess where it be now. Basecamp is great, but very similar to what it was 2 years ago

Anyway guys, we all should only hope the best of luck for this Diaspora thing instead of bashing them. That's all I'm saying. Mr. Fried could wait at least until the finance period is done.

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