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I have to source for it, but I can't imagine any laptop having a better trackpad than MBP. Any idea how good in comparison it is?

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I've tried both the XPS 13 trackpad and the MBP 13 & 15 late 2016. I feel pretty safe to say that the XPS has by far the best trackpad experience on any Windows-based laptop I've tried but it's very much behind the MBP (IMHO!).

Yep the trackpad is what brought me to Apple and OS X is what kept me loyal.

On the late 2016 models I was honestly worried that the dimension changes introduced were a little bit too much. After a couple of weeks I haven't found any reason for going back to the previous generation, MacOS Sierra palm rejection software is pure magic and gestures across the entire OS are super smooth!

Then you got lucky. My trackpad skips around horribly on my xps13. I can't believe how horrible that trackpad is.

Not sure if your XPS13 is running Win10 or Linux.

Anecdotally, I've got Fedora on mine, and I noticed a huge difference in the trackpad responsiveness when I switched from the Synaptics driver over to libinput. Palm detection got way better, for one thing.

It's running Win10 and I've installed different drivers. It works ok after changing various settings and using my pointer and ring finger instead of pointer and middle finger for scrolling.

I switched from Macbook Air to XPS 13 in December. I would not say XPS is _very_ much behind on trackback at least when comparing to Air, not sure if MBP has different trackback?

I like trackpad on my Dell better than on my mbpro. But i think it is matter of personal preference. I like the friction it gives.

But keyboard on my dell is leagues ahead of mbp hands down.

Like you said, personal preference - I have the Dell at work and a MBP 2015 with the force touch trackpad at home, and I much prefer the macbook - the Dell requires more force to register a click the further away from the bottom where the MBP is even.

Aren't all these configurable in Windows? I'm pretty sure you can set it exactly the way you want...

Not that I can see but I could be wrong. I think the Apple one is just perfectly even because it's not mechanical, which I prefer.

If you don't see it under the advanced mouse settings (or whatever its called) something is wrong. Most likely you don't have the correct drivers, which is odd since they are installed automatically...

For me the top keyboard is the non-Touchbar MBPs.

Touchbar MBP's keyboard is a huge downgrade and I agree that the XPS 13's keyboard is superior. I have no idea why Apple ruined one of the best keyboard in the industry with the Touchbar range.

>But i think it is matter of personal preference.

Not wanting the cursor to stall and then jump around is not personal preference though.

You never had a modern Latitude/XPS laptop in your hands then - every mac person I showed my laptops touchpad admitted that they are equally good.

Gestures work perfectly, the cursor never jumps around either - unlike other laptops with crappy touchpads.

I haven't used a MBP myself, but according to head-to-head reviews [1][2] the MBP trackpad is better. The XPS one is really great though.

[1] http://www.alphr.com/laptops/1002278/dell-xps-13-vs-macbook-...

[2] http://www.itpro.co.uk/laptops/21797/macbook-pro-15in-v-dell...

I use an XPS 13 and 2016 MBP daily. They both have great trackpads.

The only place where the XPS 13 is inferior in terms of build quality, so far as I can tell, is coil whine. I believe they've fixed that in the most recent versions.

Also, even though it's not a big deal I'd rather not have a touch screen at all as I do on the XPS. It's useless, and registers touches when I close the lid (I prefer not to suspend if I'm just walking from one room to another)

Edit: I should note I use Ubuntu exclusively on the XPS 13. I don't know what the trackpad is like in Windows. Presumably it's comparable.

They did not fix the coil whine. Nor the dynamic screen brightness issue. Just FYI. Oh, and the I2S mode for audio is still broken in the latest kernels (headset microphone not recognized, loud pops at power saving switchoffs), so I have to use Ubuntu to get a HDA-enabled kernel out of the box.

Also my XPS13 is 2 years old and the "carbon fiber" cover started to disintegrate along the edges. The screen hinge is a bit loose so it wobbles a bit with movement.

Other than that it's fab :)

The fix for the dynamic screen brightness is to flash a firmware that dell provides for the HIDPI display. If you have the 1080p display, you are out of luck.

Just bought a brand new 9360 and the coil whine is definitely not gone.

This is the truth. Apple has mastered the trackpad. I've used some Lenovo trackpads that I would say are close, but Apple still holds this crown without a doubt.

The general shoddy build quality of most manufacturers, combined with the fact that Apple would likely sue the pants off of trackpad "clones", is my reasoning for why all other trackpads are just functionally absent when compared to Apple.

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