Study Finds Uber Doesn’t Put Taxi Drivers Out of Work But Does Drive Down Pay
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Of course, for those to be all the way true and fair, Uber would need to be making money and not leveraging a sea of VC money.
None the less, why is pay down immediately bad? It's only bad if it is down and things cost the same. Shouldn't purchasing power be the relevant metric?
A more accurate alternate headline would be "VCs and institutional investors contribute $10 to each Uber ride, taxi use drops"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_pricing
Silly me wonders if Uber will run out of cash before (enough) taxis companies go under.
The "don't look at the man behind the curtain" answer is that Uber will magically become profitable at some future date, soon, when robot taxis are invented for use on the road, Uber procures thousands of them and they take over.
I think Uber has changed this, although they're basically using predatory pricing as their market strategy. I must admit I have mixed feelings about all of this... Who knows? With two anti-competitive colliding like this, maybe we'll somehow end up with a competitive market at long last...
Because, you know, people start to suffer, can't afford to make rent or mortgage payments, take their kids out to the movies, etc. Stuff like that.
Which I know may seem kind abstract, from where you sit. So I'll point out a second major factor: As (middle class) incomes decline, do does purchasing power (in areas of the economy that really matter). And with it, the (meaningful) parts of the economy slow down greatly as well.
Note that I emphasized the "middle class" part. Yes, we know that as wages go down, the money doesn't really disappear, and is still active in other parts of the economy... namely, in the bank accounts of richer people. But by and large, richer folks tend to allocate their money towards "dumber" or less meaningful parts of the economy, dollar for dollar, while folks in the middle and lower-tiers tend to put their dollars into more fundamental sectors. Which is why when their incomes go down, everyone suffers.
It's just how things work, when you start to consider the whole system. And part of the bedrock of modern economic theory -- and one of the root causes of this thing known as The Great Depression, way back when.
It's only bad if it is down and things cost the same. Shouldn't purchasing power be the relevant metric?
When wages go down, it's not like boom, prices come down to meet them, not at the same pace anyways. (And if we're talking about a sudden wage hit to a certain class of workers -- basically you can't count on any commensurate price decrease at all to come to their rescue).
But more generally -- any analysis which only looks as one or two "metrics" -- and neglects to consider the effects on the system as a whole -- is fundamentally flawed.
No. Taxis are used less meaning less income, they not cheaper.
"The 10% Taxi's Used To Take Now Returned To Customers In The Form Of Lower Prices"
That's also not true. Uber is usually not cheaper.
The headline should be:
"More taxi drivers = less money for individual drivers"
Or economically:
"Uber uses value chain power to grab surpluses in taxi market, leaving drivers with less money on average, and consumers with the same price. But they have a cool app now."
The article doesn't say that at all though.
Maybe the loss to taxi drivers is going straight to Uber. Maybe it's 20% cheaper to use Uber.
You would sell your piece of market share, and then go work for an entity that has absolute power over you, and will drive your surpluses to zero - or even into the negative at the greatest pace they can?
When Uber has a monopoly, the 'short term' income of most drivers will be under minimum wage (because there's no income regulation) - and because so many drivers do not properly account for 'wear, tear and insurance' - the 'long term' net may actually be negative.
Uber's business is about paying drivers the equivalent of a short-term 'pay day loan' on value of their car as it degrades over usage, after which real income is negligible.
Or at least, that's the economic end-game.
Uber has demonstrated fanatical adherence to market principles - they leverage their power as hard as they can. The natural thing for them to do in a monopolistic scenario would be to jack up prices massively, jack up margins massively, and make sure drivers earn next to 0, and consumers benefit next to 0 - so that they capture all of the surpluses.
If anyone things that Uber will not do this they have not been paying attention. Uber will price at the 'profit maximizing' point for them - which in a monopoly situation is 'very high prices' (i.e. a shade below what you wouldn't be willing to pay) for consumers, and 'lower than minimum wage' for drivers (i.e. a shade above what they can possibly get away with).
Travis's comments on his hearing were pretty clear - he's a free market fundamentalist of the 'scary kind' (and by that I mean, economically illiterate, parroting the virtues of the ideology he espouses without actually understanding the scope of them).
So long as there is real competition, Uber will be limited by that, but if they ever get de-facto monopoly, the only winner will be them. They will ensure they get all of the surpluses.
As for the taxi plates.. they're going to be worth 10% of what they are now, it doesn't matter if you make less income with Uber if you have to wear such a huge capital loss. (in the order of 100k+)
When I came back to the part of London I used to live in, my local small business taxi firm where I knew the guys had disappeared.
Small Taxi offices used to be a common sight, there are way less of them now.
This isn't bad for consumers now, but the future will be less appealing. Undercutting the competition on price is classic monopolist behaviour.
I suppose VCs tolerate it because when the competitors are down and out, the rewards will be huge.
Unfortunately for Uber I think their technology will become less and less of a differentiator because it will become easier and easier - and cheaper - for a small and scrappy competitor to copy it.
If the competitors add extra services - e.e. B2B courier/logistics, or B2C pick-up/delivery - Uber probably won't have the clean run it expects.
That's only remotely possible if the barrier to entry is high. It's not, if Uber hikes prices to the point where they are pulling insane profits over drivers competition will enter easily. The only way burning cash makes sense for Uber is eventually going to self driving car fleets - this is much harder to compete on and you can have efficiency based monopoly trough tech.
but that isn't even the biggest challenge for uber. they want to own global last mile logistics (not just people delivery) and that puts them in direct competition with large established corporations like fedex, ups, amazon and walmart, who won't simply roll over and let them dominate that space.
people like to bring up self-driving cars as a strategy, but that's at least 10 years out, so it's a distraction at best. at worst, it also widens their competitive landscape to include all the global auto makers.
uber is by no means a monopoly yet and is in fact still struggling to earn a seat at the big kids' table.
That sounds like a problem with minimum wage legislation [as well].
The NYS trial lawyers are doing a good job holding Uber hostage. Once they get what they want, Uber is fucked.
Citation?
http://www.lohud.com/story/opinion/contributors/2016/08/24/t...
>"Ride-sharing companies Uber and Lyft spent nearly $1 million combined during the first six months of 2016 to lobby for a bill that would have allowed them to expand to upstate."
>"But the spending didn‘t pay off as the lawmakers ended the state legislative session in June without taking action on the bill. The bill died, according to sources, after the powerful state trial lawyers pushed for more comprehensive insurance coverage that Uber opposed."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/uber-lyft-spent-1m-...
I've done this several times. I do not know if there were any actual repercussions for the drivers but in talking to cab drivers they seem to believe there will be. This is almost exactly the same as the uber/lyft model except the uber/lyft model put that feedback mechanism front and center.
An entire industry that thrives on screwing people at inopportune times deserves to die IMO.
People have legitimate grievances against the cab industry, I'm one of them, but that doesn't automatically legitimize what Uber is doing.
I think Travis receives a lot of backlash because of envy. Many a people think Uber is a stupidly simple idea that they themselves could have done and as such hate on Travis for doing it first, fast and well.