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You're insane. Could you kindly point out any terrorist acts in the US by any citizen of any of the nationalities now banned?

If you want Trump to "be an example for other countries", how should the woman ever get to Costa Rica, considering Costa Rica <-> Iran is probably not popular enough to warrant a direct flight?

How exactly is a woman that is not allowed to exit the terminal, and has been through three metal detectors a risk to America?

Considering there has been no single incident with any terrorists from the nations in the last 30 years (yeah, I just spoiled the answer for the first question, sorry), would I be expecting too much when asking why nobody thought to pick up the phone and ask immigrations "If I were to ban people from country X, is there anything I should keep in mind". After all, it took DHS less than 6 hours to identify ambiguities with regards to green cards and visas.

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No name calling please. I'm very much sane and the furthest thing from a deplorable so to speak.

Please tell me we're not ignoring that most terrorism is Muslim affiliated. That, coupled with the fact that there have been many attacks all over the world by Muslim terrorists leads me to ask a simple question, does it then not make sense to ban people from largely Muslim countries until more can be done to thwart these attacks?

Should nothing be done according to you?

As for that woman, that is an edge case and it can be tolerated for now until travelers on transit can be isolated more carefully in the future. For now, the ban must be employed because more important things are at stake here i.e. security.

>How exactly is a woman that is not allowed to exit the terminal

>If you want Trump to "be an example for other countries", how should the woman ever get to Costa Rica, considering Costa Rica <-> Iran is probably not popular enough to warrant a direct flight?

I would suggest that they be stopped before coming to America in the first place. Let them use another route until authorities can figure out what the hell is going on. America is after all high on extremists' target priority lists.

Don't use this small instance of this woman to discredit the entire ban on these 7 nations' emigrants.

> Should nothing be done according to you?

Not sure if you're aware of this but America has a Department of Homeland Security as well as USCIS, both funded to the tune of billions of dollars to provide screening of the immigration process. There is a lot more than "nothing" that has been done to regulate immigration before Trump's executive order.

Clearly whatever is being done is insufficient and that's why there are attacks by Islamists. As such Trump has decided to be more proactive. He needs more support and accolades for being brave enough to do what's needed even though it is controversial.

How many people have died in America due to Islamist attacks since 9/11, nevermind immigrant Islamist attacks?

What? Why would you even ask that?

Do you want America to be like France where because of insufficient immigration controls they get an attack every so often from these Islamic immigrants?

Why would I ask that? Because I wonder if you actually know. You said you weren't from America, so I can understand if most of your knowledge about America comes from the news, rather than a view of the facts over a timeframe longer than last week.

I mean, to equate America with France, as if geography and economics had nothing to do with immigration, makes me think that you come in with flawed assumptions about how the world works.

>You said you weren't from America, so I can understand if most of your knowledge about America comes from the news, rather than a view of the facts over a timeframe longer than last week.

Surely that's a low blow or as Watson might phrase it, a wang bang and you know it.

I already said I'm not an American. I do however support Trump. I read many of his books right out of high school and I'm re-reading The Art of the deal.

I see a global shift to the right wing going forward. I mean can you believe that in France the Socialist party stands no chance because even the French, yes the French cannot stand what the left has done.

I'm glad people from all races have woken up and are saying no to unrestricted immigration, no to excessive taxes and regulation, no to welfare states, and no to egalitarianism. Luckily, this transcends racism. It is about reason as Ayn Rand would put it.

> Why would you even ask that?

You said,

> Clearly whatever is being done is insufficient and that's why there are attacks by Islamists.

If, as the parent is hinting, there have been few-to-no attacks by immigrant Islamists (and few attacks by Islamists of any stripe) in the US, I don't see how it's remotely clear that "whatever is being done is insufficient". What the hell does "sufficient" look like?

> Do you want America to be like France where because of insufficient immigration controls they get an attack every so often from these Islamic immigrants?

Personally? Maybe. If the cost of getting rid of it was zero, then no, of course not. But I choose to bear much higher risks because I don't like the trade-offs necessary to eliminate them. There is no reason this should be different.

>What the hell does "sufficient" look like?

Exactly what President Trump has done. Impose a ban until it can be figured out, what the hell is going on.

But its been established, nothing is going on. Except for fear-mongering at the highest levels. Its a circus, designed to distract from the real crimes, which are stealing the entire US economy out from under us.

Its a circus, designed to distract

Okay, I'm with you. A lot of Trump's behavior during the campaign and leading up to the inauguration can be interpreted in this way as well.

from the real crimes,

It's been (just over) a week since the inauguration. I'm sure I could have missed something. The only thing I can think of right now is the emoluments-related matters, and other conflicts of interest. The Executive Order stuff is pretty nasty as well, and looks to be the beginning of a judicial (and perhaps congressional) fight, arguably a crime, but that remains to be seen.

which are stealing the entire US economy out from under us.

Okay, now I'm not following at all. What am I missing? I plead naiveté and ignorance and throw myself at the mercy of the court.

After soaking up 99% of American wealth in the last 20 years, the new cabinet consisting of Wall Street executives (among the friends and family) is designed to scrape up any morsels left to the rest of us.

Oh. Let's not with the general ideological comments, then. They don't foster substantive discussion.

>which are stealing the entire US economy out from under us.

How so?

The only stealing going on is that targeted at the wealthy. High taxes and innumerable regulations are an atrocity. Inflation is even more atrocious.

However, here's what Keynesian economics proponents never get; even though you try to rob the rich by currency devaluation, you end up doing quite the opposite and that is actually hurt the poor who are the worst affected by inflation all while saying that in the end, we're all dead anyway.

Let's not continue on with general ideological comments unless you have something new or interesting to add.

Again, with the level of scrutiny we had before we haven't had a problem. Why is "what the hell is going on" suddenly unknown?

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