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Does this mean Safari is no longer the new IE?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9804533

Safari cleaned up their act in the last year: http://caniuse.com/

So far they're third going by the caniuse score, which is based on the features developers can use. Previously it last place.

I don't think it was the developer backlash that forced Apple to start releasing TP previews of Safari and progressing features. I was likely more of a gap between major versions (Safari 9.x vs 10.x)

Safari has actually had WebKit Nightlies for many years. The Technical Preview is just basically a semi-stable beta track (as opposed to the Nightlies which are of course nightly builds).

Service Workers is the big one I'm waiting on before making that call, but this certainly helps.

https://webkit.org/status/#specification-service-workers

Safari was never the new IE.

Microsoft took 5 years to go from IE6 to IE7, and 7 was really bad. IE completely stagnated, while being the default browser on a billion PC's. Then they were very slow to adopt HTML 5 features. Developers were supporting IE6 over 10 years after it was released. I doubt if many people are supporting 5 year old versions of Safari, let alone 10 year old versions.

> Microsoft took 5 years to go from IE6 to IE7, as 7 was really bad. IE completely stagnated, while being the default browser on a billion PC's.

I feel like many people have forgotten how bad this really was, or simply weren't developing back then ...

Everything looks slightly less bad in hindsight

Sure it was bad, but not for those specific 5 years. When IE6 came out it was a really good browser. The real problem was that people were still using IE6 when IE7 was already out, and even when IE9 was already out.

WebRTC is the main killer for me

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13466306

No security prompts for MIC and camera for it to work

Plus it's been on the under development list for a while: https://webkit.org/status/

Agreed, killing me its not working on desktop or ios

Without WebRTC and Service Workers, I'm still holding my breath.

http://iswebrtcreadyyet.com/

Safari is the new IE only if you think Apple is the new Microsoft.

A dubious analogy that works if you squint really hard.

I don't know about that. I see Tim Cook as being closer to Steve Ballmer than Steve Jobs. Operations vs Vision.

You could not uninstall IE, but at least you could install Firefox on Windows.

You can't use any truly different browser than Safari on iOS, so until that's possible, I'm hating on it as much on iOS as I hated on IE on Windows.

Even if it's lagging behind less than IE did, I still strongly dislike being at Apple's mercy rather than the users'.

They're still super late to this party. But good to see they're finally implementing this.

I'm sure people will find other things to bitch about. It is made by Apple, after all.

Yeah, people always complain about anything. I can't believe people had the gall to complain about the hockey-puck mouse or MobileMe

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