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Hospitals warn Trump: Plan to repeal ACA will cost us $165B

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Because of the ACA, the cheapest available health plan through the AZ exchange is $1,800/month (10k deductible).

Before ACA I could get a similar plan for my family for only 4400 a month. Now because of the ACA that plan is illegal, and as a self employed person I'm forced to buy short term health insurance (and pay a substantial tax penalty for doing so).

Your numbers ($1,800 now, $4,400 before ACA) seem off. Is there a typo in there?

Objectively, do you think the benefit to the greater good of people who can now be insured is worth the impact to people in situations such as yourself?

I think the Republicans are heading for a huge failure here.

You know, if it was possible for them to come up with a replacement for the ACA that would make the public and business happy, they would have laid out the whole plan years ago and would have it ready to go the day they took over the government. Instead all we are getting is a bunch of promises that they will go to work constructing such a plan and come up with it eventually.

I'm not certain this was at all unintentional.

It would have been unforgivable for the Republicans to actually cooperate with Obama on the ACA, given the vindictive and antagonistic attitude they showed him while in office. Better to sabotage the program, then run on the promise of repealing it when it's caused enough suffering. And, if that was the plan, the plan worked. The public's dissatisfaction with the ACA is what helped them take over the government.

And as always, their base wants the ACA burned to the ground, and the ground salted so nothing resembling a nationalized healthcare program can ever take root in the soil of American politics again. The Republicans pay lip service to "replace" after "repeal" because despite their efforts, it turns out there are parts of the program people do like, but I don't believe for a moment that there was, or is, any intention to replace the ACA with anything comprehensive.

I agree that was the strategy. I am just saying that when they move on to the next stage, it is going to fail terribly and get business and the majority of the public mad at them. And that in turn could help lead to their losing the presidency and maybe the congress in 2020.

Headlines/numbers like these without context are meaningless.

Clickbait title misstates the article's own data.

"And, because the legislation wouldn’t undo certain payment cuts created by the ACA, hospitals would lose an additional $102.9 billion"

Without ObamaCare, with ACA repeal legislation from last year as is: $165 billion "loss"

With ObamaCare as is: $103 billion "loss" anyway

It says "an additional $102.9 billion". That's $103B that they lose regardless of whether or not ObamaCare is repealed, on top of $165B that they'd lose if it's repealed.

(The numbers seem highly dubious to me, because they assume nothing will replace the insurance that the ACA currently offers. But if you're using the article's data, represent the article correctly.)

The headline is not representing the article correctly. It says, "Plan to repeal ObamaCare will..." in reference to dead legislation from the last Congress. There is no such "plan" from the Trump administration as yet. They are also not stating how much of the "loss" is from the expiration of temporary (24/36 months) Federal subsidies.

Wells, that's once of the risks that hospitals should have thought about when they adopted the ACA.

On the other hand, consumers are rejoiced.

Er, hospitals didn't adopt the ACA. They are subject to the law just like all other businesses and residents of the USA.

What I meant was they should have fought to oppose it. Then we wouldn't have this wasteful situation in the first place.

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