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Simulations suggest Planet Nine may have been a rogue

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I'm really curious as to the outcome around this. The idea that a new planet in our solar system is discovered in our lifetime is exciting to me for some reason. I can't even really explain the feeling.

Even though for most people the discovery will make no difference, they might not even care about it, which is a shame I think.

Yup, and if we do manage to prove it's existence we should keep the name "Planet 9".

And pretty please let the math on the star collision in 2022 be correct. I really want to see that.

Formerly known as Planet X, before the Pluto demotion kerfuffle.

But Plan 9, er Planet, is good, too.

Nah, let's call it something fun like Nibiru or Nemesis.

Have you heard of Ceres - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceres_(dwarf_planet) I learned of it recently and it was like learning of a new planet.

> They presented evidence suggesting that if Planet Nine is out there, it is likely a rogue.

But the evidence seems kind of sketchy. In their simulations, a rogue was only captured by the Sun 40% of the time. Thats' better than 4%, but still not great. (Or is that actually a really good result? I don't know.)

I wonder how long it would be before we could reasonably send a probe to explore a potential rogue. New Horizons managed a fly-by; how plausible would entering orbit around something that far away be with a reasonable time to get there?

> I wonder how long it would be before we could reasonably send a probe to explore a potential rogue.

New Horizons took around a decade to reach Pluto, which is about 50 AU from the sun.

The nearest distance Planet 9 could be is approximately 200 AU. Right now, waiting seems to best bet before sending anything, so that we can hopefully find ways to send probes faster and meanwhile try to better identify its location.

Oh sure, I'm not suggesting sending probes just to take a look around. But if we do positively identify another planet and its location, sending a probe there would be fascinating. If we could actually land it and do some materials science on a rogue planet, it would basically double our understanding of planetary formation.

The delta-V requirements for landing on an outer solar system body are… intense. New Horizons flew past Pluto at 14 km/s; in order to land, that relative speed would need to become zero. This concept likely requires new propulsion technology.

Agreed on being fascinating, though.

Well if it is a planet 10x the size if earth it might have an atmosphere so we could aerobrake, no?

We've already landed on an outer solar system body, Saturn's moon Titan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huygens_(spacecraft)

Titan does have the advantage of a thick atmosphere to allow descent by parachute, and a large parent body to capture the spacecraft into orbit.

It would indeed, but the costs wouldn't make it viable. Spend that same money funding every other effort planetary scientists want to do for years to come. They'll learn far more from those efforts than from the one very expensive probe.

Would they "learn far more"? I am not a xenogeologist or astrophysicist, but landing a probe on a rogue planet seems like a shortcut to visiting another star system.

We have no idea what is the orbit so the distance doesn't matter there is no way to do a flyby unless we know for sure it's there and can map it's orbit nearly fully otherwise regardless of how fast we are going we'll never get to it :)

We actually have a pretty good estimate on the orbit[0], though not necessarily where it is in that orbit (afaik at least). Your point is correct- there's no where to go until we get a fix on it- but your description is technically incorrect.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Nine

We don't even know for sure it exists we have very little information on the orbit what exactly is incorrect?

The Sumerians already knew it existed, and much more: https://blog.kareldonk.com/planet-x-nibiru-an-analysis-of-ak...

Ancient aliens... yeah mmkay...

Abstract at http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2017AAS...22942405V

Actually, Phys.org is one of the few commendable popular science sites that quotes the abstract at the end of the article.

It's the Second Foundation. Duh.

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