Differences between Heavy Metal, Thrash Metal, Black Metal, and Death Metal
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That statement ignores a big part of the black metal aesthetic and does a huge disservice to the many great musicians in the scene. The raw production values were in response to the rising popularity and commercialization of death metal around the late '80s and early '90s and the 'plastic' production that came with it. Listen to Soulside Journey and then A Blaze in the Northern Sky and try telling me it wasn't absolutely intentional. Then listen to anything Emperor released and try telling me "they lacked the musical ability to rival the predominantly (at the time) Swedish and American Death Metal scenes."
Euronymous spent tons of time perfecting the production of De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas. Whether it sounds harsh to the average listener or not (it does), he went out of his way to have 1) audible bass (check it out on headphones sometime), 2) thunderously huge drums and 3) cacophonous guitars, true to his playing style. These were all calculated, intentional decisions, meant to drive the cold, bleak aesthetic.
I like the heck out of De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas (you'd never think it to look at me) and have listened to it on a really high-end professional mix system with very good DACs and amplification, and far from being 'corpse, bad' sound, they actually managed a big, live sound that delivers the impact of a black metal band quite well. Just because it's not 'slick' doesn't mean it's low fidelity. For instance, Jethro Tull's 'Aqualung' is a very similar 'raw' sound but strikingly high fidelity on the right equipment.
I strongly recommend the documentary, "Until The Light Takes Us" if you're interested in black metal. Varg "Count Grishnach" Vikernes in particular, interviewed in prison, has a lucid and striking account of the motivations of the early Black Metalists.
I was really into Darkthrone and still think they're okay, and I have nothing against any race or ethnicity.
Just one that I am aware of, and they apologized later, was their comment about "Jewish behavior".
Also, this:
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Other than that, I don't know of anything else.Being concerned over it sounds like wanting to ban violent videogames, overprotective. Like hardcore Christian parents against their children listening to rock music, but maybe not as much since black metal is basically how those kinds of hardcore Christians see normal rock music.
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If you look back at the music you enjoyed in your youth, I'm guessing you could find some music you like made by people with a questionable moral compass. However, you don't have to think about such things with music, sometimes it's just about the way it sounds.
If you're concerned about your son, why not see if you can broaden his musical horizons outside of metal, maybe there's something you'll find that you'll both enjoy. If you'd like a starting point, perhaps your son may like some classical composers like Bela Bartok, some of his pieces are easy for metal fans to appreciate:
Other than that, Varg (of Burzum) is also a neo-nazi, but he hasn't written any black metal in 20 years. In fact, he stopped writing black metal around the time he became a neo-nazi.
Aside from that, I don't think you're going to find much popular modern black metal that is openly racist. Maybe some band members are secretly racist, but they know better than to talk about it if they are.
My (now) wife introduced my to black metal over 15 years ago when I was still a kid. I turned out fine, and still have no tolerance for racism.
No, they aren't. You're thinking of Varg Vikernes of Burzum, and maybe Faust from (early) Emperor. Fenriz, Nocturno Culto and most of the rest of the Norwegian scene had nothing to do with Varg's 'black metal politics'.
As for getting around how "overtly racist" those bands are: you can't, at least with releases like Fullmoon's United Aryan Evil. If the subject matter bothers you, you simply don't listen.
I can appreciate a lot of metal, but do not generally enjoy black metal just on musical grounds. But I find with repeated exposure I can usually find something to appreciate and enjoy in almost any music. When I was a teenager I had friends who were into the Black Metal scene (mostly because of theatrical bullshit like Vikernes and Euronymous), but after learning how racist the bands were, I decided not to acquire a taste for the music.
Varg has maintained that Euronymous was planning to kill him. When asked why he thinks Darkthrone allowed him to write some lyrics despite being a pariah in the black metal community, he said that he thinks Fenriz believes him about Eronymous' plans. He said Fenriz may think it was unfair that Varg was charged with murder for killing a man who was planning to murder him.
That's obviously not how the law works, and what he did was deeply wrong. That said, I can kinda understand feeling some sympathy for someone in that situation.
Who knows if Varg is right about Fenriz. Frankly, Varg believes some pretty crazy stuff, and I'm not inclined to trust him about much of anything. But you never know. Maybe Fenriz took pity on a really screwed up kid who made a terrible mistake.
Anyway, onto the subject of racism. I think there was definitely a bit of racism in the early black metal scene. It's hard to know if it was genuine or just some kids trying to find a way to shock people. Either way, it seems like that's mostly gone these days (I can think of a few exceptions, but they're seemingly rare).
Black metal (and the people who create and listen to it) has grown up a lot over the last couple of decades. Fenriz even got elected to local office in his hometown!
Forgot it had a decent cover of Painkiller too:
Also, you can very often tell that the musicians are putting all they can into it. The music is very emotional in a lot of the subgenres, particularly black metal, and post-metal.
I don't read dissertations and I'm not even a huge metal fan, but the idea of a dissertation on metal subgenres just sounds interesting to me.
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Off-hand, there's also sludge, stoner, prog, doom, folk, nu, and power metal, and several different slices of each genre.
Hair Metal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u8teXR8VE4
Power Metal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIZNb96EQJ8
Power Metal is like closer to speed metal; think of something like "Ramble On" played by Judas Priest or Iron Maiden.
The rest of the genre is derived from the lineage of the band Helloween, itself heavily influenced by the NWOBHM. Many point to 'Keeper of the Seven Keys Part 1' as the first Power Metal album. Other early bands include Blind Guardian and Gamma Ray (which was founded by Kai Hansen, who played with Helloween and is considered by many to be the father of the genre). It's closely associated with Speed Metal, the line between them is not always clear but modern Power Metal bands tend to have "something extra" beyond fast guitar and high-pitched vocals, whether it's symphonic or progressive influences, more existential lyrical topics, a focus on storytelling, etc. It's often more about who the band is friends with than their musical or lyrical content or aesthetic. It's closely associated with Scandinavia, and it's worth noting that Symphonic Metal was at the very least heavily influenced by this genre, the respective scenes being tightly entwined/the same people.
Some examples of what many self-identified fans of Power Metal would consider good Power Metal- Helloween- Keeper of the Seven Keys Part 1 Sonata Arctica- Ecliptica Kamelot- Epica (The Symphonic Metal band Epica named themselves after this album) Rhapsody- Symphony of Enchanted Lands
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Thrash - (Stone - Get Stoned) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWHlr3U_s8Q
Melodic - (Children of Bodom - Towards Dead End) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7fbeGWZ5gw Also (Galaktikon - Dangertits) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVB8lM-oCSk
Black - (Dimmu Borgir - Progenies of the Great Apokalypse) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuIxl0vip6Q
Heavy - (Smashing Pumpkins - Zero) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBkjcvNztKQ
Progressive - (Between the Buried And Me - White Walls) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNdRh2un5eg
Parody - (Austrian Death Machine - Get To The Choppah) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPIO86jTrQQ
BTW, it is really really nice to see a post related to this my favourite type of music here in Hacker News. For people that do not understand Metal I can recommend the documentary "Metal, A HeadBanger's journey" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal:_A_Headbanger's_Journey ) which tries to explain in a "anthropological" way, the background of metal.
Just for fun, I'd be interested in hearing some recommendations. I'll start with one, this is The Space For This by Cynic, I'd guess you could call this melodic tech death metal, but as Zappa said, talking about music is like fishing about architecture, just see if you like it!
- Rammstein - Du Riechst So Gut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrmsJhf89MY (music video) -- nearly everyone's heard of Rammstein; their music videos are always well done and usually tell a story, often based on traditional Germanic fairy tales.
- Korpiklaani - Tuli Kokko: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRbg1uEglEE -- folk metal
- Eluveitie - The Arcane Dominion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-hkjryDCmg -- folk metal again, from their album "Evocation 1", which was recorded with traditional, acoustic instruments.
- The Kovenant - The Human Abstract: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH3P_6Ns7Go -- black metal, has some electronic/industrial influence. Vocals may be an acquired taste.
- Lordi - Hard Rock Hallelujah: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGe8qID9gSs (music video) -- These guys won Eurovision in 2006; their gimmick is that every band member is a monster (think Gwar).
- Nekrogoblikon - We Need a Gimmick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q3ub1SUYfg (music video) -- another band with a gimmick (heh) - goblins, obviously. Vocals are again an acquired taste, but this whole album is worth listening to for a wonderful story about goblins trying to commit autogenocide.
- Urizen - Boxmen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDv1U_P7gTk -- 8-bit influenced metal with good vocals.
- Epica - The Last Crusade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV3gQcb8jU0 -- symphonic metal with female vocals.
- Babymetal - Gimme Choko: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIKqgE4BwAY (music video) -- jpop meets metal. You're basically either going to love this or hate this.
- Ladybaby - Nippon Manju: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8-vje-bq9c (music video) -- jpop meets metal, but with a bearded Austrlian lead singer.
- Knorkator - Buchstabe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUcSTyD2T7M (music video) -- comedy metal from Germany; funnier if you understand the lyrics.
Turisas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzDWSkNuE-w is from their concept album, _The Varangian Way_, about a northerner who goes to Constantinople to join the Varangian guard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUvCFW6SfIQ an acoustic version of one of their numbers that show the folk metal roots a little more clearly; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ift85e38H3M was their first notable song; and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdkBs0VCSX0 is a very silly cover of a disco song.
Not every day you see a metal band with an accordian player.
Nightwish: when Tarja Turunen was still a member they were one of the defining operatic metal bands; metral ballads like Sleeping Sun (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejnck_pnSWk) and Nemo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUTTA2X74N4), and more orthodox metal like Slaying the Dreamer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvm6fc3z0GM) and Wish I Had an Angel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR4QvZUgpMc). Also the incredibly silly Dragonlance inspired Wishmaster https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAbVkagvYc0 Unfortunately they fired Tarja at the end of the concert these videos came from, and have moved to a more orthodox vocalist.
I do not know how to describe Kontrust: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwhPOlIuSXM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUO9SNCBL6U
Alestorm: pretty tongue-in-cheek; "pirate metal" - like Turisas they're arguably an offshoot of the folk metal branch of metal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f55CqLc6IR0
Here's one more recommendation, Needled 24/7 by Children of Bodom:
Also, metal is an incredibly varied genre. If you think you don't like metal, I'd be happy to recommend a couple of different sample songs and see if any of them catch your fancy and change your mind.
If the band is wearing black and white makeup on their face and looks ridiculous, then it's black metal.
At one point when I was young, and hence rather an idiot in some ways, I used to think this was just for metal (and of course I considered all other music utter crap). Later I found out not only metal is varied (d'uh) and everytime I think I've heard all styles in some genre or subgenre of music I find something which doesn't really seem to resemble anything else, then look it up just to find out someone gave the style a name already, or labelled it as a mix of some other styles. E.g. these days I'm (re)discovering the more underground electronic hardcore scene and even there it's amazing how many variety there can be with what is basically the same kickdrum and bassline which started the whole thing all over again.
I don't think I'd be able to distinguish Black Metal from Death Metal.
depends, compare Dimmu Borgir's Enthrone Darkness Triumphant with Death's The Sound Of Perseverance or so, should give you an idea
More riff-y, generally very technical, driving rhythms.
Black Metal example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPyOhP1GTRQ
More atmospheric, less driving or pulsing, higher pitched chords or notes tremolo picked.
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Nobody posted Harald Schmidt talking about Metal, yet?
http://www.sat1.de/tv/die-harald-schmidt-show/video/heavy-me...
It's a classic!
1) Subject matter, which for long-running bands tends to have a fad-like flavor (e.g. AC/DC's Highway to Hell and Back In Black have more satanic subject matter than DDDDC or Fly On The Wall.)
2) Presentation / aesthetics / "Dress code" -- For instance, Van Halen vs. Mötley Crüe. Both wore spandex; MC also wore obvious makeup, dyed / teased hair, and sort of shambling / fishnet clothing, VH did not. Black Sabbath tended a little more towards leather and black, while their equally-loud peers Led Zeppelin looked a little more hippy.
3) Band composition / Musical direction -- For instance, it is nearly impossible to call your band metal if it has a keyboard player (Sorry Styx and Deep Purple.) How about guitars? Some bands - GnR and Aerosmith had dedicated lead and rhythm guitarists, who harmonized a little; Other bands, such as Priest and Iron Maiden, had more-or-less two lead guitarists who would split leads and/or harmonize multiple times per song.
Just a forinstance, KISS would be metal based on 2, but not so much 1 (their subject matter was mostly sex and drugs, very little death and hell.), and their approach to 3 was pretty much Rick Derringer territory.
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