Little Known Hacker News Is My First Read Every Morning
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Although everybody is automatically assuming only bad-mannered ilk will come from TC, has anyone thought 'hey maybe there will be MORE insightful discussions.'
Other than that, why not just led the editors do what they do best and not worry about it?
Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September
Or in simpler words "The unwashed masses are upon us"
It's a great resource for newbies like myself. Perhaps it deserves more prominent billing?
And adding the Guidelines link to the comments page in some way might well be a helpful addition. At least there IS a link to it, though.
Thanks
Welcome digg-like users!
A smart way of doing this would be to let potential new users write a bit about themselves, and let existing users vote on whether or not they should be allowed to post based on their introduction of themselves.
Another way would be to let new users have a quota of comments that could be raised if the initial comments were voted up.
I think the moderation is even more important because when people start modding down valid coments or modding up stupidity that's what make me want to leave. That's when I got annoyed with Digg +-2 years ago and Reddit +-1 year ago.
Generally I am amazed that moderation systems are not better than they are, especially since the stakes seem to be so high in this niche right now.
The only issue is you need to be very specific in how you choose to asses what is "high" vs. what is "low" quality. Too rigid and you basically encourage group-think, too lax; anarchy.
(Note: I would keep "karma" in place since it would help to distract from the "real" karma system.)
I've got high hopes.
The $5 price of admission seems to be beyond most 1337 hax0rz with funy p!cs and LOLZ.
It was over about a 12 month period of time that reddit went from being occasionally political to being totally dominated by Ron Paul/Obama fanatics. Rome wasn't destroyed in a day.
it was nice while it lasted ; )
Example: I browse youtube. A lot. I sometimes comment on videos. Now, read the comments on any substantially popular youtube video. A lot of noise, yes? So does that automatically make me an idiot or a bigot or illiterate? No, not necessarily. A similar argument can be made for TechCrunch, Digg, or any other website. The problem is the site, not the users.
In a sense, this is a fallacy of division: Digg is a noisy site with little, if any meaningful discourse. Therefore none of its users are capable of meaningful discourse.
I understand that News.YC is pretty awesome. It's a fairly small, high-signal community, and I greatly appreciate that. I just don't understand this Digg-o-phobia. Perhaps it's just that I haven't witnessed the transformation you mentioned in other sites. Hacker News is really the first such website that has grabbed my interest.
Anyway, here's hoping it stays as interesting, vibrant, and high S/N ration as is now.
First off, he's referring them to a site that competes with his own, which very well may cause some users to switch over. That isn't too far of a stretch for my imagination, seeing as N.YC has much higher comment quality and community cohesion.
Second, if the TC users came here and destroyed the signal to noise ratio we currently enjoy, he would have done them a disservice by recommending a web site that was so quickly destroyed after they all discovered it. Of course, few of them would likely realize that they, themselves, were the cause of the downturn.
Clearly neither of those seem like they're going to happen, based on the referral numbers that Paul posted so far, but it was a more feasible option when I made my earlier post.
if anybody can do this, pg can.
Eventually the other users will get tired of you filling up the comment threads with your private beefs, and you'll stop.
rms for example is apologetic and offered to do what you wanted. a new user from reddit probably wouldn't do that. but despite this, you still lead in a way that alienates rms.
in my case, i haven't apologized or offered to change my behavior because you never notified me of doing something wrong or asked me to change any behavior. that's bad leadership too. if you want me to follow some rules you have to tell me.
This, on the other hand, is a public thread where it's relevant to the topic in the parent comments. I haven't asked pg to read this thread, so it's not my problem if he chooses to.
Your reply: "in my case, i haven't apologized or offered to change my behavior because you never notified me of doing something wrong or asked me to change any behavior. that's bad leadership too. if you want me to follow some rules you have to tell me."
I think you should read more carefully, if that's not a notification of doing something wrong or asking you to change behavior I don't know what is.
Pretty ironic for you to say it's bad leadership for him not to do what he in fact just did...
Are you saying maybe he took away voting because I wrote annoying comments?
The community is too good to suffer fools gladly. And fools get bored easily.
Hopefully the TC coverage doesn't change this ...
On the other hand, I do not want to see this place get overrun by ron paul supporters and facebook fanboys. Where will all the cool people post news to then? Maybe swen.yc?
How would you go about scaling an Arc app?
too bad there isn't a browser that can filter out comments from select people ... TC would then be much more insightful
SHHHHHHH...