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This Midori project looks interesting: http://joeduffyblog.com/2015/11/03/blogging-about-midori/

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Yes, you should check this presentation as well

Safe Systems Programming in C# and .NET

https://www.infoq.com/presentations/csharp-systems-programmi...

It details some of the Midori project lessons learned and how they impact the design of C# 7, .NET Native and future .NET versions.

Yeah that's a great presentation, they did some pretty cool things as part of the Midori project!

It sounds absolutely fascinating, but it's a little sad that it did not go beyond the research stage. Like building a flying car and then hiding it in a garage. I understand how difficult it would have been for Microsoft to turn Midori into a product, but still I would like to see what that would have been like.

Well, as I understand it, several of the Midori devs are now working on the Roslyn compiler and/or the CLR. So so of the lessons learnt will make it into the runtime, so at least that's something.

But yeah it would be nice if they could open-source it.

Well, part of it has become .NET Native, C# 7 ref types, struct based tuples, vector spans and influenced the design of WinRT.

So that is something.

I don't agree. I think it's one of the strength of a large corp like MS. They are able to separate research and prototyping from product development. You don't turn a research project into a product. You learn from it and incorporate it into your products

I think they could have turned it into a product if they had wanted to.

They had, however, a very, very good reason not to - it probably would not have been backwards compatible with Win32, so the huge amount of third-party software that exists today could not have run on it. And that - whether one likes Windows or not - is a very compelling selling point.

So things they learned building Midori will trickle back into the Windows/.Net world. I agree that that is what a good research department is for.

But still, it would have been nice to take Midori for a test drive and see what it would have been like.

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