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Metallica singer leaves Bay Area because of 'elitist' attitude

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I loved Metallica until the whole Napster thing. Who am I kidding, their music is still great for hardcore heads down coding. Nine Inch Nails too.

If you or your employer would be totally cool with giving away the stuff you make money off or were funded to do, sweet as.

What do you commercially work on btw? Can I have a copy? Got a link?

It's more how it was done. It was watching Metallica who made their money selling rebellion and raw emotion turn into litigious corporatists. It was a real generation clash. Image is everything.

Well I guess you or your employer will just roll over like like chumps then when a commercial entity pirates or "liberates" whatever it is that you produce.

I disagree with how your comments were greyed v. those of others.

Lol. I would pay for a video of him driving through SF with a deer on the bumper.

I get looks every season and I'm in Illinois.

How does one secure a deer to their bumper anyway? I figured a better place would be the roof or the bed of a truck. A Google image search for "deer on the bumper" only turns up roadkill.

I'm beginning to think either these quotes are fake or James Hetfield doesn't actually hunt.

"Deer on the bumper" is a common saying for "attached to car for transport". I'm sure he has it in the back of a truck.

Edit: James hunts. Well known. Don't be silly.

http://www.thatsnonsense.com/images/giles2.png

Another thing he said in the podcast is that the man in that picture is not even him :P

Lol, I was wondering that myself.

> I'm beginning to think either these quotes are fake or James Hetfield doesn't actually hunt.

You can watch/listen to him speaking the quotes (and talking in depth about his hunting and farming life) on this week's Joe Rogan Experience podcast:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O6QPTawR14

http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/james-hetfield

So in order to get away from elitists, he moves to VAIL hahah.

Where "the singer is in the process of developing four houses on his 40 acres of property."

Given he has been a longtime libertarian/GOP, he probably is using elitists as a euphemism for liberals. And, he isn't wrong about Vail in that sense.

I'm shocked Fox News was able to unearth something this newsworthy!

What are you a record company shill or something?

No, I'm a person who creates IP in exhange for money.

I dislike the concept as much as the next person but it seems hypocritical to consider code one kind of thing while considering music another kind of thing.

You either accept the license or you don't.

There is an aspect to metal which is about making sure you look after yourself and taking care of your own interests, in the face of people who want to justify coming and taking your stuff. I think this is the deeper message than blurb about fans.

I never said I disagreed with their claims, I said I disagreed with the way Metallica handled it. It's the first approximation of the Streisand effect that I can recall.

But I do disagree with the constant extension of copyright duration, which is a legal monopoly originally granted for 14 years optionally renewable for another 14. Now it's life of the author plus 70 years. This is of course mostly done for intrenched interests that can afford to lobby congress for their benefit and the detriment to society as a whole.

As I'm sure you are aware, the concept of copyright is to grant temporary legal monopoly to incentivize and reward creation but to ultimately benefit the public by releasing it to public domain after 28 years. Now it can be 100+ years. All the benefit of monopoly, but no meaningful benefit to the public. If copyright laws were as they were originally intended, all Metallica from their founding to ...Justice would be public domain now. Finally, anything copyrighted after 1978 will probably never be public domain in our lifetimes. How is that beneficial to society? Monopolies are bad, especially life long ones granted by the government.

Furthermore, copyrights for software are very weak. I can clone Excel all day long as long as I don't copy their code. Software patents were designed as a copyright of sorts for software ideas, but look at what a disaster that turned into. So technically, as soon as you or your company releases a product, I can probably clone it to my heart's content, unless you have a patent that will hold up.

Why are you bringing up 15 year old talking points? It just goes to show much much Metallica is married to the idea of copyright rather than their music, again to their net detriment.

You're trotting out the "injustice of copyright" argument (yeah, I think it's messed up too) as though it's a justification for what was at the time the commercially enabled piracy of recently released albums.

My view on the world is only an epsilon away from yours. I'm not in the "home taping is killing the movie industry crowd". I release "free as in freedom" software by default.

But from my point of view, the epsilon is that a lot of people in the software industry do rely on and understand the value and importance of IP as a work product yet insist that others should be ok with a company profiting off the illegal distribution of music.

Anyway, while we are having a way old discussion all over again, thanks for your sincere replies.

You're welcome, and for what it's worth, I wasn't the one down voting you.

Insinuations of astroturfing or shillage are breach of the civility rule here, and are not allowed unless you have concrete evidence. Please don't post like this to HN.

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