Germany threatens to fine Facebook €500,000 for each fake news post
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It's also not "Germany" that is threatening this fine but a single (though influential) politician. The proposal has sparked quite some debate and nobody can say whether it will result in any new law let alone any details.
'<major politician> engaged in a <criminal activity>'. No way to verify. If genuinely fake news, delete - no fine, not delete - big fine. If true, delete - no fine, not delete - risk of fine, which may or may not be returned later, depending on how powerful said politician is...
So the end result is that only news from entities explicitly allowed by the government are safe to keep.
Here's a funny thing: the only government that's not going to abuse this is the one that's not hiding anything nefarious! So the end result is: all stories that uncover really bad things about the government are going to disappear, and the entity that made/published it is going to be labelled 'fake news' if it wasn't already. Which means the only way for a media entity to survive is to self-censor.
It requires some human effort that fb and Google are idealogically unwilling to consider. it as simple as requiring accreditation to the national press associations as "real" news orgs have and validating credentials as event venues do for example. Automated solution only approaxg and democratisation of news(I.e bloggers) is an ideological stand not a practical limitations
In the US election coverage there have been numerous examples of established 'real' news outlets like CNN, and nice touchy-feely 'acceptable' outlets like Huffington Post publishing stories that have either been outright lies or completely misleading.
There's also a bit of a motte and bailey argument involved in this campaign. In particular, when people ask "Can't the 'fake news' label just be applied to any politically unfavorable news source to suppress them?", the response is usually "Oh, this will only be used for those crazy clickbait sites that just come up with random titles and spam Facebook ads.". But then in other contexts, it's very obvious that NYT, AP, etc. are using this to refer to lower-quality but only marginally more falsehood-prone tabloids like Breitbart. Besides the differing political bias, the difference between breitbart and NYT is a matter of selectivity. Breitbart might publish more questionable or false stories (higher false positive rate) but they also publish true things that the NYT doesn't (lower false negative rate). For example, NYT's coverage of the Podesta leaks was garbage, and I had to turn to smaller, less reputable news sources to find (100% verifiable) coverage of leaked email contents.
Let's also not pretend that the media groups leading this campaign are innocent of (intentionally or unintentionally) publishing some outright false or misleading content themselves. Sure, they do it less frequently, but they're no saints.
As for the OP, it is absolutely unreasonable to allow the government to dictate the truth. I should not have to spell out how that can and will go wrong. Permit people to believe what they will. If you're worried about false information, try to make better information management tools rather than using the government to force people into some arbitrarily chosen "correct" belief system. This isn't some stupid appeal to the idea that objective truth doesn't exist; it's recognizing the fact that any one person (or government Ministry of Truth) is almost certainly wrong about a non-negligible number of things, and it's better for at least some people to be right about any given topic than for every single person to be uniformly right or wrong about any given topic.
..what is fake news compared to real news?
Are their really any news outlets that are unbiased, bipartisan, in-regurgitated, real news? My answer would be...what ever sells the most papers, that is what is printed. A news paper seing their shares fall because of a million small small sites acting as regurgitation machines is starting to take its toll, and papers are calling foul and continually running with that story. There is no real news anymore.
The audience of a source doesn't lend or take credibility.
If a major news source intentionally slips subtle inaccuracies into their stories to push some agenda it could reasonably be argued that it causes more harm than a small no-name blog with no readership publishing blatant lies.
Better remove all those disturbing truths...
to regain a monopoly
Facebook has a moral responsibility to exercise some editorial control imho.
Governments should stop taking for granted that their people are sheep, and maybe then they will stop being so easily manipulated
Ministry of Truth?
Spaces before punctuation?
> Who decides what is fake or what isn't ?
Courts.
> This is what despotism looks like.
No, despotism is what despotism looks like.
> It looks like good intentions at first then gets abused[...]
That's just the slippery slope fallacy. It doesn't work as an argument because it's too broad. I. e. "now they're outlawing shooting at people, next thing you know, you can't even shoot the breeze anymore"
Courts deciding whether or not you're allowed to say something is only marginally better than other government officials deciding whether or not you're allowed to say something.
Slippery slope is only a fallacy in the strict Boolean sense. It's a perfectly useful heuristic in Bayesian reasoning. In particular, it speaks to the effects of shifting the Overton Window.
One man's art is another man's porn, one man's truth is another man's propaganda.
Answer the question:
Is it bad to "suppress speech" that is a threat to "free speech" itself?
Take freedom of speech, social justice, progress,... as an universal and it's ultimately destructive (to believers and itself).
Speech is only speech. It cannot do anything by itself. The only way speech can affect the world is by urging people to do things that they would not have done otherwise.
On the other hand, perhaps this forces Facebook to give up on being a "news platform", too, and not just a social network, which wouldn't be a terrible thing to happen.
Just a couple of days ago Süddeutsche Zeitung leaked internals on the user service teams: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/digital/exklusive-sz-magazin-rech...
No psychological support even though the employees have to deal with more vile stuff than even 4chan, only 14.4 seconds (!) to deal with a single complaint (2k complaints/8h workday). No wonder Facebook is fucked up.
What we're seeing, not just with FB but also with Twitter and Google, is the usual capitalism ideology of privatizing profits and externalizing losses - in this case the "loss" is the damage done to victims of propaganda, hate crime and "fake news". The "profit" is the amount of money that the companies save on actual customer support (which is my main complaint against Google).
I'm somewhat doubtful that there'd be a legal basis to go after news that's simply "fake", because afaik you can't even get at the publishers of such drivel. But defamatory posts are probably fair game.
Now that may appear like European crazy talk to American eyes, but just consider that Facebook is very much liable for some content in the US as well, namely copyright infringement that they don't block "expeditiously". This proposal seems to apply more or less the same mechanisms as the DMCA to a different category of "illegal speech", and I see now reason why copyright should be better protected than the democratic system.
This is not a contract between two corporations.
A private corporation should NOT sue a government for creating a new law. As long as it's legally feasible, Germany should do whatever it deems necessary to its own sovereignty and interests.
1) A corporation is not the same as a German citizen.
2) "Contest" is not the same as "suing"
3) No German has a net worth of over U$300B (FB's Market Cap)