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They still have the percentage indicator, which is presumably directly proportional to mAh remaining, and people generally have a good understanding of what percentage is.

Using your analogy, your gas gauge doesn't show the number of gallons, it shows a relative level.

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His point is that Apple should show the energy consumption rate in addition to the percentage indicator, just as cars show fuel consumption as mpg and fuel remaining as a percentage.

My car tells me how many miles I have left by basing its estimation on my consumption over the past 30 miles. It has been pretty accurate.

I think you can liken the situation with macOS to switching from a gas car to a Hybrid. Gas cars have relatively predictable MPG. Hybrids don't. Your Hybrid can go from 25MPG up to 100+MPG depending on the way you drive, and it can bounce back and forth between the two constantly during a trip. Now, I have to admit, I don't own a car at all and so I don't know if hybrid cars actually try to estimate mileage remaining, but if they do, then surely their estimate will change wildly as you change how you drive (e.g. smooth highway driving to traffic jam to city driving to aggressive driving to defensive driving, etc).

I own a Prius. Fuel efficiency doesn't seem to be any more variable than the conventional cars I've driven. The distance remaining estimate seems reasonably accurate in that it goes down ~50 miles after I've driven 50 miles.

Whenever I drive a Prius with ZipCar, the MPG numbers change wildly while I drive, and even the average MPG can change by 5–10 miles over the course of a decent drive. I assume the distance remaining estimate is based on that average MPG number, but since I have seen it change by significant amounts, that means the distance remaining estimate certainly is reasonably inaccurate.

If you always drive your car in the same manner then sure, you'll probably have a reasonable estimate. But similarly if all you do with your computer is browse the web, you'll also have a predictable battery remaining estimate. But while many people do drive fairly consistently, your usage of your computer probably has a lot more variety in terms of energy impact.

That's why you average it over some time, not just take the momentary usage.

Older gauges just showed percentages, but many new cars will tell you gallons, current MPG, and an estimated distance to empty.

How far back do we have to go to get to cars that just showed percentages, cause I have literally never experienced one in my life.

Even my model year 2000 clunker has instant MPG, average MPG, miles to empty and a gas gauge with actual gallons.

My 1999 Camry has a dial that shows full, 3/4, 1/2, 1/4 and a red line.

My 2011 only has the gas gauge, without any gallon markers on it and numerous 2016/2017 cars I've been test driving haven't had it. It's certain classes of cars that have had it for quite a while, nowhere close to all.

My 2007 Toyota Matrix just has an analog fuel gauge that goes from Full to Empty with marks for each quarter. No gallons, no MPG calculations.

Not far. My last car was a Toyota Yaris 2001, and the display (center top) only has percentage, and it's not very fine-grained: http://i.imgur.com/ESXap6F.jpg

My 2003 VW Golf has a gas gauge that shows percentages - the individual markings represent 12.5%, not individual remaining gallons (it's a 14.5 gallon tank, not an 8 gallon one) My mother's 2009 Jetta has similar. Whether or not the instrument cluster implements a multi-function display that shows instant/average MPG or miles to empty, every car I have ever driven, from the 80s clunkers of my youth to brand shiny new rentals has had such a fuel gauge.

Such a style is cheaper to implement. Resistive float sensor in the tank, run a wire to a mini 90 degree needle gauge in the instrument cluster, done. Instant/Average MPG and miles to empty are additional fanciness that up until recently, came standard only on higher-end cars, or was part of an optional package that may or may not be avail on lower end brands/models.

I thought that the gallons calculation used the same cheap mechanism, just adding a trivial percentage left * capacity calculation.

2009 Civic LX - gas gauge with 20 squares, no mpg at all, no actual gallon number.

2005 Ford Focus, just a gauge. It has percentage fuel on the OBDII interface but not MPG estimates. Some cars might have it on the OBDII if they don't have a gauge.

You have to go back pretty far. In the wake of the 1973 Oil Crisis, most new cars had MPG displays.

The 2012 Mazda 6 doesn't show MPG, but it does calculate it and expose it over ODB II

The only car I've ever had that showed MPGs was a 1990 Audi.

Everything else (1998 Toyota Camry, 2002 Chevy Impala, 1997 Ford Ranger, 2005 VW GTI) have only had an analog fuel gauge.

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