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How much is race or religion factor as well? I'd read somewhere that it is nearly impossible to immigrate to East Asian country if at least one of your parent wasn't native born of that country. The laws around citizenship simply doesn't allow that. In some East Asian countries (perhaps Japan?), someone outsider can't get citizenship even if married to citizen of that country. Wouldn't lack of long term future prevent talents from other countries migrate in first place?

I tend to think that US is able to suck up of large portion of talent from all around the world like vacuum cleaner because laws are race and culture blind. When I look at winners of Nobel prize or Field medalists or Pulitzer price winners or popular movie directors or music performers or entrepreneurs, it doesn't escape to me that immigrants or their children make up disproportionate number of these people while all other countries bloodlet their talent.

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True.

China, or PRC, has issued fewer than 2000 green cards to foreigners every since its foundation, and most of them are issued to people who have Chinese ancestry.

Race. Chinese people are pretty...racist to TBH. But if you are White, it is probably going to benefit you. Good luck if you are people of colors. People hate PC here, but you will hate China for zero PC as well. A part that I really don't like about China, is a lot of people seem to judge others like it is their own damn rights, unacceptable.

Religion. Not really a lot people care, not even the government does, if you just practice yourself. But you are openly advocating about that, people will frown upon you, and will keep you distance.

>But you are openly advocating about that, people will frown upon you, and will keep you distance.

Having lived in an oppressively religious area (in the American South) this is one of the things I like best about China. It's a relief, compared to how it is in super religious areas.

Agree, for me this is not a bad thing either, just a fact.

Religion is not a taboo in China, as is not welcome.

Where did you live?

If I felt like talking to someone about religion I'd have to go out of my way to do it. The urban areas in the South are no more or less religious than the North unless you are in a few cities (portland).

The PRC on the other hand has actively persecuted religions/cults (the Falun Gong are a prime example).

No. PRC doesn't persecute any religions now as long as they obey laws and don't trouble anyone. There are lot of Buddhists and Muslims in China. People and the government pretty much doesn't care about religion.

But Falun Gong is 'persecuted'. It is different from other religions. Now, it seems to be an peaceful religion, but Back when it was operating in China, it is not. It seeks political status, motivate its people for illegal activities, and people lost they lives because of it.

I understand you cannot believe me. But ask other Chinese from mainland china, shouldn't be hard to find some if you are in tech industry. (They might refuse to share their opinion because they know the answer might offend you.)

> The urban areas in the South are no more or less religious than the North

Yeah... that definitely has not been my experience of urban areas in the South (mostly Atlanta, Dallas, and Galveston, assuming the latter two are considered "South").

It's subtle enough that I don't doubt that it isn't particularly noticeable from the inside, but as an outsider it was obvious to me.

Along with the general religiosity, there is also this pervasive assumption that everyone is a Christian that feels rather oppressive. I've only found Utah worse in that respect (the only state where I'm a gentile).

That said, Data is not the plural of Anecdote, and my personal experiences could certainly be far from representative.

Red China has only 1,488 naturalized foreign-born citizens.[0] But there are a lot more permanent residents than that. Those that marry Chinese will have children with citizenship.

[0] http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21710264-worlds-risin...

In the Republic of China/Taiwan you can become a citizen with no parent being born there. You have to give up your foreign citizenship and may be subject to potential military conscription depending on your age and gender.

If you have the marriage visa you can do this after 3 years residence - it's 5 years residence with a work visa

https://taiwanease.com/article/46/Turning_Taiwanese_A_Step-B...

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