London house prices are having a relatively bad December
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It depends why they are lower. If they are lower because more houses are being built that could be a good thing because relieving the chronic shortage in affordable housing will help more people get on the property ladder, increase the available labour pool for businesses, if they live closer to work it will ease transport congestion, etc, etc. Good all round.
However if house prices are falling because wages are getting depressed so people can't afford higher prices, the jobs market is slowing, inward investment is petering out, etc then it's not so much that lower house prices themselves are bad, but it's a really bad sign for the economy.
Apart from anything else, falling house prices due to economic factors is going to reduce investment in new housing, which we really do need in the medium to long term.
And even though it only directly effects the most expensive property, it ultimately lowers prices for a lot of houses due to the inelastic nature of housing demand.
More generally, whilst lower property prices are generally a good thing for the economy, a property price crash and the resulting economic instability is unequivocally a bad thing.
Edit: yeah, OK, you can't buy a mansion in zone 1 for £1m. I'm going on my own internal standard, i.e. if it's over £1m it better have turrets.
Don't forget all these charts provide averages across all central London areas - some more real-life examples:
A terraced house in Earls Court cost you about £150-£200k early 1990 - now £1.5M+ - similar in Fulham etc.
A double fronted house in Worlds End (now considered to be part of Chelsea) was about £350-£500k at the same time - now about £4-6M.
Many people working in central London until about 20years ago bought themselves property from bonuses - these properties (first time buyers) were mostly used for self-occupancy - now there are very little bonus payments for younger people working in the City and a large proportion of people working in offices in London commute between 2-4h each day (when the 9-5 becomes 5-9).
Now (since at least 6 years) most property is cash-bought - i.e. no mortgage was taken out. You are looking mostly at "investment buyers" and with these, prices are far more sensitive to changes like the Brexit. Look around in central London and you will realise how much residential property is actually empty - for some of these "investment buyers" it is cheaper (tax) not to rent and the government is not doing anything about this since many years.
Most property development - to my knowledge - is now "to-rent" vs. "to-buy" - what we are seeing is a reversal of policies supporting people (latest Thatcher) to become property owners back to pre-WW2 when only the rich could afford not to rent.
On current central London price level you will have to have best at least £500k cash for a down-payment and then earn at least £200k p.a. to be able to pay your mortgage for a family size property.
In terms of empty property, this is what the Land Value Tax is good for (especially in C London, were most of the house price is for the land). Its a shame the Lib Dems never win general elections.
But back in 1990 interest rates were a whopping 14% - that means that a 25 year mortage would have cost the equivelent of £4935 each month.
Today that house is worth 1.5 million. The same 25 year mortgage at today's interest rates would be £5158 a month.
So really house prices haven't changed that much, it's just that the money is going to different places.
1 Million will buy you a 3 bedroom flat in Zone 1.
If you don't piss off homeowners today, tomorrow situation will become even more dire. Pricess will be bigger, price growth expectations would be even more insane, regular people will be more disgruntled. So it should really be "piss early, piss often". Or face downward spiral.
It's pretty obvious how this should resolve: suppose there's two nearby towns (inside metro area) - one is building up but another one doesn't. Property prices will lower in both of them but onle one will be getting economic benefits, leading to second one following the suit. It only becomes problematic when cartel forms, blocking the development of entire area. Such cartels should be fought with.
London has a real problem with wealthy foreign investors parking money in London property; often, they don't even rent these out, leaving them empty. The new mayor, Sadiq Khan, has ordered the LSE (London School of Economics) to conduct a review in to this problem. I expect this to hit the confidence of investors (both foreign and domestic) using London property as a place to park money, and if it's as widespread as I think it is, prices will continue to decline as this "investment" disappears.
This is fantastic news for young people who live and work in London and want to get on the property ladder; not so great news for the property developers who've been exclusively building luxury apartments that nobody can realistically afford - but I have trouble sympathising with them.
I'm not convinced that Brexit will see the reduction in immigration that people seem to be hoping for; a "soft" Brexit is looking more and more likely.
In some sections of the housing market, lets say £1m, a devaluation appears to have a significant effect on properties beneath that valuation. The correlation is extremely high. In this bracket of buyers you have (well off) working professionals, lawyers, finance etc. Rich by almost everyones standards. Lots of them around means lots of competition for a certain stock of housing.
What you also have is high thousands of extremely rich people from around the world (particularly Russia, Saudi and other ME). London is a refuge for super high net worth individuals for a variety of reasons, culture, relative freedom, history, availability of beautiful mansions. The most important reasons probably being national stability (financial and security) as well as a comprehensive and enforced legal system. Not to mention, a subset of these buyers are parking money stolen from the people of their country. Try physically confiscating a 250 year old Mayfair townhouse! UK legal protections means a seizure of the property is unlikely/very difficult.
The property desired by this group as so disconnected from usual London housing that it is unlikely to have knock on effects if prices decline. This type of person is not going to downsize to 'normal' housing.
This is just something to bear in mind when reading reports on London property prices declining. The last year saw a single digit percentage drop in asking prices, except the majority of this was in the £10m+ plus range.
London prices are seriously crazy.
The lesson I take from this anecdata is that the market has slowed right down, but sellers haven't yet needed to accept lower prices.
The broader data shows Outer London still going up, but Outer London's a huge place. Areas like Sidcup and Plumstead skew Leave and I'm sure property prices are still doing fine right now. Longer term, it'll depend on what happens, but I do think property prices are literally skewing on the basis of the political views of the prospective buyers right now.
Why would "spent[ing] significant time overseas" or "work[ing] in extremely international offices" affect which way you vote?
There are other arguments, but this was a big one, and it's one that has less traction in those categories.
"average prices in inner London are down 2.6 percent over the past year, whereas outer areas are up 2.7 percent. That left average prices across the capital little changed."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/house-prices/the-state-o...
Price vs. wages is a great measure of day-to-day strain on the average Londoner.
On Housing in General: It will be interesting to read about the outcome of these last two housing booms on retirement and inequality. Have home owners who entered the market late inadvertently been forced to save? Will inequality spread so wide, that we permanently lock out a portion of the population from urban areas?
However, I just don't see it happening based on the data provided. Yes, the luxury central London properties may come down in price but they are still so far outside the price range of almost anyone that it doesn't make a difference. And the article specifically mentiones that the target market for those are foreign investors, not normal people.
Anecdotal evidence, but when my parents bought a house in SW London many years ago we asked the estate agent and apparently even during the crash in the 80s the price dropped by maximum 25% in that area (compared with 200% for example in other parts of the country).
Regardless of the answer to that, your question appears to boil down to "what will be the future value of asset X, compared to asset Y". And not many people can accurately answer that question.
The UK has signalled it's not interested in unlimited, no questions asked immigration and actually would rather like to keep the trade as much as possible. That is very far from "no trade or immigration at all".
So hey, go ahead and don't consider London because you think it's suddenly a hermit hole. I doubt the country will suffer from missing such insight.
Could you elaborate? This statement is very broad and seems unlikely to be true.
1. Non-tariff barriers are much more onerous than tariff barriers. 2. If poorer country A enters into a deal that gives richer country B jobs, there's a good chance they might want access to those jobs. 3. Britain principally trading with Canada and Australia is a recipe for ruin. 4. A great deal of the UK's attractiveness to non-EU countries is its membership of the EU.
3, especially, sounds like I'm straw-manning. I'm not.
I should add there are Leavers who appear to get these issues. One is Phil Hammond, but it's unclear he'll win and
5. The EU can walk away from any deal at any time and probably will if we don't offer them something good on their terms.
From talking to brits, there seems to be this idea that the UK is pulling Europe along. Europe is just a dead weight pulling them back. I shit you not. I think this is why so many brexiters believe that in the negotiations the UK has the upper hand.
Yeah, actually, you can do trade and do it successfully without tying all treaties together into a political state-building project. Everywhere else in the world manages this pretty successfully.
1) It's got a lot of stuff about non-tariff barriers in it. 2) Doesn't really apply, because Canada is heavily pro-immigration anyway. 3) Remains true 4) Remains true and 5) Is also a problem for CETA.
Bear in mind also that CETA is a _much_ more limited trade deal than we have with the EU.
So, you're right in that there is a theoretical position that the UK could take which was pro-trade and anti-EU, but it would be a light-year away from the briefings of the Three Brexiteers right now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_U...
More reliable indications would be that 48% of people voted Remain, and a non-trivial percentage of those that voted Leave did so because they believed claims that disengaging from the EU would allow the UK to pursue more free trade arrangements than before.