Bill Gates et. al. launch massive clean-energy fund to fight climate change
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Even with all this money from billionaires, most climate research makes extremely heavy use of DOE facilities, namely light sources, and works best with the close development loop.
So far, these circumstances seem specific to the DOE, so that's at least a little bit comforting. NSF is somewhat insulated from the standpoint that NSF directors are appointed every 6 years and the current one will get through most of Trump's term. No clue about the NIH. NASA is similarly not in as dire of a situation from the looks of it.
Potentially, but there has already been a lot of meddling with the budget that the NSF director gets to put to use. Basically every year congress tries to ensure that the NSF stops spending money on climate change and 'social sciences'. There has been broad pressure to cede to congress's demands that the stop funding anything that they disagree with as well as general budget cuts.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/battle-over-scien...
The NIH/CDC have been repeatedly denied funding for Zika and Ebola research.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/cdc-and-niaid-offici...
NASA will definitely have all of their climate research gutted, and given Trump's relationship with Lamar Smith and Jeff Sessions, I'd expect decent funding toward big projects that favor Alabama and Texas sites.
The dramatic reduction in PV costs, for example, were caused by the volumes created mostly by European feed-in tariffs, plus the manufacturing determination in China.
Im sure DoE has some big wins, and people who hear about them are more likely to drive support.
The DOE invented "solid state lighting, modern refrigerator compressors and water heaters".
The OP (submission) mentions cuts to ARPA-E, which he probably got from 2 of Trump's questionnaire, but cuts to ARPA-E are very unlikely to be significant, since they fund so many commercializable things, which Trump said he supports during the campaign trail. Here [1] is the Trump questionnaire so everyone can read it without speculating about it. Many of the questions are innocuous, the fuss is centered around question 13.
[0]: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregsatell/2015/11/23/republican... [1]: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/09/us/politics/do...
While I support science funding, this is a good time to remind people that politicized science is fat from exclusive to the right[0] (excellent article, don't just skim). A recent example is this paper [1]funded by a $400k NSF grant which tried to "analyze how power, domination, colonialism, and control—undergirded by and coincident with masculinist ideologies—have shaped glacier-related sciences and knowledges over time".
Also, for those reading about the "Trump questionnaire" who might not have heard it elsewhere, here is the NYT story about this[2], which much more comprehensive and slightly more balanced than the parent makes it out to be.
Among other things, it hints towards "significant shifts of the agency [DOE] towards nuclear power", and a "push to commercialize the research of the Energy Department's laboratories, long considered the crown jewels of federal science."
BTW, the downsizing of federal departments has been planned by Trump for a long time, and brought up by him during the campaign, when he said several months ago that he wants to reduce the federal workforce and institute "hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce the federal workforce through attrition (exempting military, public safety, and public health)". This was in his "Contract With The America Voter", and is nothing to be surprised about.
[0]: http://www.city-journal.org/html/real-war-science-14782.html
[1]: http://reason.com/blog/2016/03/07/this-university-of-oregon-...
[2]: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/politics/climate-change...
> [Hacker is about to ask for advice from his predecessor, a member of the Opposition party]
> James Hacker: The Opposition aren't the opposition.
> Annie Hacker: No of course not, silly of me. They're just called the opposition.
> James Hacker: They're only the opposition in exile. The Civil Service is the opposition in residence.
Although in this case, you can replace "opposition" with "resistance".
This is why the federal bureaucracies are essentially unconstitutional: people within the rule-making structure are unaccountable to voters, but their decisions have lasting influence on the economy and on people's lives. For instance, many federal agencies define new felony-level crimes (that wreck lives) without a new law being passed by the legislature.
Don't get me wrong, plenty of people within government have a good heart and genuine motives. Also don't think I'm supporting Trump here. Just take a step back and look at the sentiment of your comment holistically: you're hopeful that institutional inertia will allow you to continue toward your goals within government in spite of the people's choice of the "idiot at the top."
I'm personally not likely going to be affected much, outside of wage freeze, unless the government decides it doesn't care about finding earth-ending solar system objects, but it's hard enough trying to do science in the USA and the wage gap between the non-clearance employees in the DOE and industry is increasing. If it gets much harder, brain drain from the Office of Science to europe is probable - more so than a migration to industry I'd imagine.
Granted, not all desired behaviors can be made more profitable than their alternatives. But this is an example of how to encourage this sort of technological progress. We can be promoting electric cars not just because they are green but because they are awesome, or a free-market economy not just because it is more fair but because it works better, or no-till farming not just because it is better for the environment but because it produces higher profits, or space exploration not just because it is educational but because there are huge opportunities.
When profitability is a part of the equation, most other motivators are weak in comparison.
* Advanotech.com - makes fully functionalized silicon nanoparticles at a fraction of the current cost. This automatically gives a performance enhancement to batteries that hits double digit percentiles.
* http://www.powertechwater.com/ also does something pretty awesome by removing solids from brackish water.
I hope that whoever leads up this fund has deep chemistry competency to be able to fund things that will move the needle on gigatons of carbon emissions.
Bill Gates's statements on energy have been far more in line with the realities of minerals, carbon emissions, and lithospheric realities the statements of many other billionaires.
Every VC fund I know of is a ten year fund, which means they expect to invest the full fund and collect their return within 10 years. Which in practice means they actually want to get an exit in 5-7 years, ruling out much energy technology investment.
A 20 year fund adds 10 years to their time horizon, which will put many more energy technology investments within their "strike zone"
> The BEV fund, which has a 20-year duration, aims to invest in the commercialization of new technologies that reduce greenhouse-gas emissions
I'm an anti-elitist libertarian at heart, but the "let everyone do as they will" mindset may cause problems. (And I understand that elites get it wrong much of the time)
Climate change is a particular challenge here: immediate action is required, but warning signs are too diffuse to work against political inertia.
A reflection of The People would be simply their democratic vote, informed by balanced and unsubsidized arguments from both sides.
I mean, obviously, individually, it's up to each person to choose. But when the majority chooses for everyone (including the minority), is the minority bound to respect that decision?
And whose fault do you think that is... There can be no talk of the will of the people when they are beholden to the coercion of the elites through structured economic insecurity.
I don't think so. I need to heat my house or I will die, so I pay the energy company. But, my "will" is that climate change is the most important issue today, and I would greatly like to increase subsidies for alternative energy and funds for climate science. If the energy company lobbies against that, then they are using my money to lobby against my will. It's easy to extrapolate this to the majority of the energy company's subscribers. You can't say that corporate lobbying is a reflection of the country's will.
- Jared Diamond, "Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed"
(A must read book, by the way.)
Theoretically, in an informed democracy, the people would recognize the threat and act to stop it by voting in representatives who are committed to curtailing climate change. In the real world, though, our democracy is not that informed. The mainstream media covers stories that are more sexy. I don't believe there were any climate change questions posed at the presidential debates.
The two possible solutions would be to change the system in such a way to foster an informed democracy. The other, as you mentioned, would be an entirely different government system. I think the former solution is more feasible by passing legislation that makes it harder for fossil fuel companies to have so much influence on representatives. I'm not sure how to fix the news. The reason I don't see a different system of government working is because I don't think any system solves the "individual interest > general welfare" problem. Democracy is pretty much as good as it gets when it comes to the general welfare, other than a smart benevolent dictator... but how long has that ever lasted?
You can change that "may" to "does". Even in the case of perfect coordination and cooperation, there are fundamental mathematical limitations on the optimization power of distributed algorithms. Introducing independent, competing agents then adds game-theoretic results into the mix and everything goes straight into the toilet.
For example, consider the problem of gerrymandering. When one political party takes control over another, they may look at their gerrymandered districts and cry out "Unfair! We need to fix this!" But how do you incentivize them so that they don't just redraw the boundaries in their favor this time?
Elections inherently favor those who desire power over other, demagogues, and narcissists. They also result in the creation of an insular political class, which often trends towards oligarchy.
"Let everyone do as they will" only works if you are prepared to step in when someone's idea of "doing as they will" involves preventing someone else from doing the same, or it won't be "let everyone do as they will" but "let a small portion of people do as they will, and everyone else be damned".
As a left-libertarian, I'd certainly argue that if you pollute and as a result affect the very ability of others to survive or negatively affect their health, you are also affecting their liberty, and society is justified in sanctioning you.
Elites get this wrong because few, if any, elites aim to maximise liberty. Maximising liberty does not (currently, anyway) win you elections.
I'd suppose the Achille's heel of "The People" is their short-sight. You need big minds with big wallets to see and act on the long game.
It may not be "big minds" or "short sight" but the fact that the majority of the populace is expending so much thought and effort to just get by that they don't really have the extra cycles to worry about future calamities. We kind of used up all of our populaces' reserves for that sort of thing on income inequality. The people at the top are the only ones with any "propellant" left to maneuver.
As far as the will of the public, i don't think that "saving the environment" will force a shift of peoples votes, i think that natural disaster / destruction will gather peoples attention enough to make a push.
It's extremely difficult to look at long term, esp when you're living paycheck to mouth... I wonder if the majority of people in these old industry are within that space.
The people are compelled to recycle, change their lightbulbs and so on but their representatives OK a fracking scheme or gas plant that cancels out all savings. There's no insulation, combined heat and power or even removal of fossil subsidies or sense of urgency coming from the representatives.
The few "people" who are scientifically aware seem very keen to see this change, but unfortunately are still a minority.
Sometimes it just seems like every solution is on some global scale that barely involves us. There's a handful of graduates who will get some old MS money (and good for them). And I'll keep living exactly the same. I know there's probably lower hanging fruit around the world, but I hope for effective solutions we can put into practice that change the conversation (as Don Draper would put it).
There have been a handful of ideas to reduce or reverse the effects of global warming using engineered solutions. Examples include such ideas as taking Sulphur Dioxide and putting it into the upper atmosphere (https://www.technologyreview.com/s/511016/a-cheap-and-easy-p...). Another idea, that was invented by Bill Gates' friend Paul Allen, includes building ultra tall chimneys in order to vent opaque soot into the upper atmosphere.
The other side of this is that there is a belief we can come up with technologies that are significantly greener without a significant downside in price or performance.
* creating energy from filtering co2 out of the air, http://www.sciencealert.com/a-canadian-start-up-is-removing-...
* turning salt water into fresh water, http://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-are-turning-salt-wate...
A energy neutral way of irrigating desert (Sahara , large part of California), reducing sea levels, and reducing co2 levels in the air.
I still think it's a great idea, as a backup plan for carbon-neutral transportation in case electric vehicles don't take over the world in the near future.
Good but expensive technical solutions do exist, namely carbon capture and storage, together with more renewables, nuclear and fusion power, perhaps some hydrogen production etc. But the financial requirements are unfortunately more towards OPEX than CAPEX. This means even if some uber-billionaire pays for the CAPEX, us regular people will shoulder the largest cost.
A proper solution would be a functioning carbon tax that negates the currently externalised cost of emissions. But in simple terms that means "making everything more expensive", on the order of $0.5 more per gallon of gasoline overnight, large increases in taxes on new cars, everything made from plastic 50% more expensive, cement and steel prices increasing by at least 20% so new houses are 30-50% more expensive to build, etc. In short, political suicide for anyone who enacts it.
Sic transit gloria mundi.
A carbon tax doesnt make everything more expensive if you give the money straight back to the citizens which is what we did in Australia before it was overthrown by our current government. Everybody earning under $80k and using an average amount of energy was financially better off under the carbon tax.
But, even ignoring politics, people have estimated the effects of climate change so it's possible; but there's going to a spectrum of answers.
Taxation is not a market-based mechanism. You'd also have to implement prohibitive duties to avoid importing the problem.
http://rameznaam.com/2015/08/30/how-steady-can-the-wind-blow...
The point at which energy storage becomes an issue is a long way off if you connect the country with HVDC lines. Building such lines would be a great achievement for this fund. However, I guess the political question will get hit at that point: will the government be as keen to let private investors build new power infrastructure as it is for them to build new oil pipelines?
Cap and Trade has provided subsidies and rewarded some of the biggest polluters.
There's a very strong, fair and efficient case to be made for it. It would do a lot to reduce GHG emissions and raise tax revenue in a more socially just way (better than taxing jobs).
Further reading: http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/publication/19499/gores_...
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/10/a-rorschach-on-...
Than what? The falling cost of alternative energy technologies vs carbon-based energy resources?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97...
Government wants companies not to get off carbon for the $$$; but companies want to get off carbon (to some extent) as they would not have to pay carbon taxes.
It's just like any other tax. Companies are good at tax avoidance (note: this is legal unlike evasion).
Yes, and the party doing the taxing is also the party controlling things like import duties on solar panels.
> It's just like any other tax
Exactly. And once you introduce it, others like it will be sure to follow. Except they will be levied on the alternative energy sources which are cannibalizing carbon, because the state coffers demand it.
Actually, companies producing more carbon due to government is not really a severe problem because the carbon tax compensates for the carbon produced (at least in theory).
The incentive is to keep people smoking. Counter-intuitive as it sounds, smokers spend less on healthcare.[1]
[1] http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/07/greg-mankiw-on-...
Edit: This is consistent with real-world observation. Anti-smoking policy is the greatest in the US where the plutocracy benefits from increased healthcare spending, and relatively lower in social welfare states in Europe.
Most of these individuals have already been outspoken on environmental reform so it's welcome though not especially surprising to see them here.
Did you know BP solar is one of the largest producers of solar?
It makes sense, age of sail ship owners weren't extinguished by the age of steam, they just went on to buy steamships...
But you can't fault them for trying, and it sounds to me like this fund isn't investing necessarily with a high likelihood of making money, hence the 20 year time frame.
At least one company that I know of, Loop Energy, has proven (independently verified) fuel cell tech that will soon make cargo trucks 0-emissions. (Note: My brother was the lead engineer and basically developed this)
Sure it has taken a while, but things like this would not have been possible without that initial investment in fuel cells.
KiOR cost Vinod Khosla tens of millions and was extremely embarrassing as the company was sued by the SEC for fraud, the total loss was something like $650M. Craig Ventor doesn't even mention Synthetic Genomics any more, total loss there was close to $100M. Solazyme IPOed a few years back, has since lost 90% of their stock's value and have an accumulated deficit approaching $700M. Aurora Algae lost $150M and went out of business. Algenol has spent about the same without any revenues of note. Sapphire raised something like $350M, including $100M from the DOE for biofuels but have slowed operations significantly and are now focusing on fish oil. LS9 raised $81M and was eventually sold for $40M. Amyris went public awhile back as well and has since lost over 95% of their market cap. Their accumulated deficits are well over a billion dollars now.
If I had to guess, I'd say in the biofuels space, about $3-$4 billion has been set on fire in the past decade.
Just recently I had discussion with my wife about climate change, why billionaires won't just solve the problem and what we can do to help? What is the best nonprofit to donate?
The conclusion of our discussion was that the problem is much bigger than what billionaires can solve with direct money, governments could do something, but politics is in the way, so the only hope is that technology will help. Hence the best way is not to donate to nonprofits, but invest in tech companies that might help with climate change. And get rich while doing that.
I'd expect these investors to pick places to invest where government policies will not work against their objectives, which probably is China and EU, not US.
>One thesis driving the fund is that only governments have the resources
to invest in fundamental [clean energy] research, through government labs and
funding for university research, at a scale that is needed for breakthrough advances.
Government funding in areas such as battery technology and materials used
for solar power, for example, has seeded the growth of those areas, with
their commercialization subsequently funded by private investors.> which Gates and his fellow investors describe as a market failure that large-scale, long-term private investments can address.
A lot of the hard part of the development in geothermal is fighting with problems that aren't very solved scientifically, particularly understanding the dynamics of stress and temperature in the upper several km of the earth's crust near active volcanoes. I was working with AltaRock on these issues, which are chewy enough that NSF doesn't consider the baseline levels of knowledge good enough to fund research in, as NSF wants science to be at a point where some sort of obvious scientific outcome is highly probable before they will fund it.
I assume that this is pretty widespread in cutting-edge R&D: Those involved find themselves working at the ragged edge of the known universe, even if both academic scientists and the general public think of the topic as pretty mundane.
So I view a fund like this one as quite complimentary to public funding: At some level, venture-type funding that has a high risk tolerance can help get projects off the ground to the point where they can get funding from both more conservative government funds and more typical institutional investors.
(Full disclosure: I also own a private geoscience research company that solicits a lot of public funding as well as doing consulting and non-fundable research, but it's really just a shell for me to try to get paid to do cool science, rather than a nascent company focused on growth.)
In this view, there are more dollars in the public coffers. But they are more politically entangled. If your project is a political darling, e.g. a clean-energy company with a need for lots of factories in lots of districts and a cap table of retired Senators, this is close to frictionless capital.
If you live in reality, however, there are costs and political risk attached to this capital. The private pot is smaller, but faster-moving and less unpredictably politicized.
A balance between the two would be good, if only to encourage the public coffers to become more efficient.
Tri Alpha has gotten over $500 million for a more-ambitious but riskier approach, so hopefully ARC has a shot at getting funded.
Climate change was discussed during the presidential debates for precisely 82 seconds. If climate change can be considered an issue of this election, then the "people that made climate change such an enormous political issue" are the people who made the following ridiculous, attention-getting statements about climate change:
https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/54o7o1/donald_trum...
Anyway my point was that opening a fund like this up for public participation would give those that so loudly claim to care deeply about this issue an opprtunity to actually do something other than protest or complain online about it.
[1] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donna-brazile-democratic...
It's so strange to see that exact news on the front page of HN the day after.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/china-to-halt-con...
I think Trump will be more reasonable about the issue during his campaign and he said it at a time when there was less data and less certainty, so it's also not fair to take it out of context.
in other words... outlook grim
"Gates had last year announced his intention to personally invest an additional $1 billion in clean energy technology. He was also among the 28 wealthy individuals and families signed on to the Breakthrough Energy Coalition, a group broadly committed to investing in this area. The new fund, which includes many of them, is a next, concrete step toward actually deploying their capital."
http://www.wsj.com/articles/bill-gates-launches-energy-innov...