The Home Office Is Dying
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I could work from anywhere, but I don't and no WiFi is not my preferred connection mechanism in my house when I am working with NAS for video editing or some of the other work that I do in addition to writing code. The only time I may crack the laptop while in actual bed is if I was sick and on those days I'm not going to be committing a ton of code to any of my projects. The ergonomics would be all wrong.
The killer quote is “Most people I know end up sitting on the sofa, and half the time the TV is on when they’re working.” I could not concentrate in such an environment. Even if TV may be on upstairs but I have privacy in my office in the basement. On balance this article does a disservice and gives ammunition to organizations whose bosses want to point and show "see, this is why we need our employees to come into the office".
What do you mean it's Photoshop? Oh yeah, the box files. I hadn't noticed. The dude's leg looks a bit weir...WAIT, that's photoshop too! EVEN THE LAPTOP! Gosh, the whole thing is fake!
if you can't do it it does not mean it's not true, I do most of my work sitting at a sofa with tv running and my kids running around, I guess it's just a matter of getting used to, I can just ignore tv sounds and do my work sitting there.
Your mileage may vary of course, but sometimes it's worth testing & measuring these things.
It communicates that you could "concentrate in such an environment.", when he could not.
You have a dedicated workspace because when you start blending home and work things start unravling with both; Work is a time when you're very active mentally and sometimes It's difficult to keep that way. This is much harder when it blends with your needed relaxation time.
https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employe...
I responded exactly the opposite. There is clearly the opportunity for a tax deduction based on the limited details from the parent.
Like I said, there is clearly the opportunity to deduct this expense. There are obvious pitfalls that you pointed out.
There are two questions on the flowchart that seem to clearly rule out toxican's home office from being deductible.
Do you work at home
for the convenience of
your employer?
Probably not. Working from home a few days a week is generally something done for the convenience of the employee. Is it your principal place
of business?
Almost certainly not. Principal place of business is not defined to be where you do most of your work, according to the IRS. They clearly state that "You have no other fixed location where you conduct substantial administrative or management activities of
your trade or business."Toxican stated that he does not work exclusively from home. Unless he basically does no work in his employer's provided office (even a day a week is certainly substantial), he's not eligible for the deduction.
> I think there can be good cause to deduct a home office for an employee because "a few days a week" could very well be the majority of the hours worked, and having a dedicated space helps. You're assuming they work less than half the time at home...
The IRS doesn't care about the "majority" except when it's "substantially all".
> ...and that it is strictly for their convenience and not the employers. Those were not my assumptions. If an employer offers work from home they obviously derive benefit from it (perhaps better retention rates or easier recruiting).
By that logic it's always for the employer's convenience and the question becomes pointless. I'm confident that's not the IRS's intent because then they wouldn't ask the question at all.
They confirm this with their Example 4, where Kathleen chooses to work from home and therefore does not meet the convenience-of-the-employer test. If your employer offers you the option, it's for your convenience.
> Like I said, there is clearly the opportunity to deduct this expense. There are obvious pitfalls that you pointed out.
Some people can take this deduction. It's pretty clear from the IRS's guidance that employees who telecommute part of the time cannot.
edit: Funny that two people post the same link and have opposite answers. US tax code is awesome.
Either way, my initial response stands - check with your CPA.
> The amount of time spent at each place where you conduct business.
Part time can be 22 out of 40 hours. Or 30 out of 40. The next condition to satisfy is when do you set up meetings, appointments, whatever managerial tasks?
The opportunity exists for a part-time work from home worker to deduct the expense. In the tech industry working from home can be seen as a benefit to the employer because it may help their retention rate or help them recruit workers, plus lower office space costs by allowing them to share offices among many employees.
That's what I was implying by saying the opportunity exists.
If you have an office at work, you're probably taking the deduction illegally.
> Additional tests for employee use. If you are an em- ployee and you use a part of your home for business, you may qualify for a deduction for its business use. You must meet the tests discussed earlier plus:
> Your business use must be for the convenience of your employer, and
If you have another place to do your work (i.e. your employer's office building) you also don't qualify.
> Your home office will qualify as your principal place of business if you meet the following requirements.
> ...
> You have no other fixed location where you conduct substantial administrative or management activities of your trade or business.
You can probably get away with taking the deduction but good luck if you get audited.
Yes, technically, a dedicated home office is deductible.
In practice, it needs to be a dedicated office, with no other use. It also needs to be your primary place of work.
Telecommuting part time doesn't allow use of the deduction.
Working from your sofa doesn't allow partial deduction of your living room.
More details... https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employe...
That's a red flag for audit.
Equivalent to running a coin laundry or other cash business, claiming 100% use of a car, 2% floor deductions atypical for your job, etc.
I would be interested to hear from others here who do not maintain this distinction yet also successfully work from home. What strategies do you employ for maintaining this separation despite the "death of the home office"?
This is very important in my opinion. More employers are offering "flexibility" so employees are tempted to bring laptops home, use the VPN, and generally work outside of work. Even though I have a laptop, I leave it at work when I go home at the end of the day. I do not remotely access email or anything else. If you work at home it makes sense to have a firm boundary between your life and your job. A home office would seem to help with that.
It's important not only for working well, but also for the leisure part: before my sleeping space and the working space got properly partitioned, I found it much harder to fall asleep, much harder to let go of work issues when trying to relax and rest.
I have struggled mightily with gmail on my phone (especially when trying to negotiate threads).
Portraying this as being a decision of taste rather than necessity is misleading. Very few people are willingly choosing to have less rooms in their house; our grand paring-down is the result of tight belts and empty wallets, not a nod to minimalist aesthetics.
The publisher doesn't have standards, they needed something to surround the ads. The author might have been more serious about the topic than trying to fill space to sell ads, but lacked the tools to bring that insight. The editor in chief should keep them on the bench learning, covering topics they can speak meaningfully on, or should have hired them in the first place. I doubt this publication has an editor in chief (though there is a distinct possibility that someone ineffectual might hold that title).
Grand paring down? Since when? The typical US home has pretty consistently grown in size year over year for at least the last 4 decades, gaining about 250 sqft every decade.
http://www.aei.org/publication/new-us-homes-today-are-1000-s...
According to the 2010 U.S. census, ~80% of the population lives in an urban area, and all projections hold that share to have increased. That's 80+% of the US population that is living in non-single-family buildings, many of which are being remodeled to support greater population density and smaller individual units.
Urban doesn't include just multifamily units. I live in a single family home in Seattle. So do tens of thousands of others. Ditto for San Francisco and many other cities.
Multifamily units are also growing. The data only goes back 15 years but they're bigger now. Check page 448:
https://www.census.gov/construction/chars/pdf/c25ann2015.pdf
– Well, when I was a student, we were two people in that room, 2 desks, a sink and a fridge; and our showers were shared between 4 people, I said, with my coarse French accent, recalling memories of water dripping off our roof in winter.
- Ahem, started the Russian, I was in a top engineering school in the countryside of Moscow. We were 3 in that room. We didn't have water, we had 18 shared taps downstairs for 300 people. Electricity was scarce with no ground plug, so in the heat of the winter, when the frozen wind blew on our windows, everyone used their secondary heating and electricity would go off for the night. The water dripping from the ceiling? It didn't drip. It was frozen.
Of course costs and wages need to be studied, but what I see all across those examples is desk. No-one in good engineering schools would seriously work on their bed, no matter how little room they had.
It's nice having a dedicated space for work. I prefer having a desk, a nice chair, monitor, keyboard, and mouse, rather than sitting cramped on a couch with my laptop.
In addition, like swiley mentioned, I like knowing that when I get to my couch, I'm not going to be working.
Don't get me wrong - my apartment is very nice and it's worth the compromise - but I'm posting this between CI runs, sitting on the floor of my bedroom. I'd love to have an office; I just don't have the space for it.
Well, sort of. Really, it could be better.
I've seen these workspace nooks before and personally find them terrible. It's like bringing all the negative parts of the open office home with none of the benefits.
I like open floor plans but don't want my office as part of that. The last thing I want to hear while trying to concentrate is the sound of pots and pans banging in the kitchen, the sound of the television, etc.
I keep a proper home office. My house has a small dining room, which was too small for large family dinners (8+ guests), so the room was repurposed as an office. The current dining room used to be the family room (which is now in what would have been the formal living room).
Yeah, that's basically how you not do home office.
I will admit, when we were shopping it did seem hard to find homes listing a home office as feature even though several had them. I did also note that a popular thing now with new homes in AZ is a "mini" office that can barely fit a single PC and chair.
Forgive my ignorance (I'm not a homeowner and am just starting to think about it), but wouldn't a home office just be a bedroom that you use as an office?
It's also a cat free zone.
I believe technically a bedroom in the US is also supposed to have a built-in closet of some sort and a door that closes the space off. Lack of either of these often means a room is marketed as an office.
I mean, you walk into it, and it's clearly not a bedroom. But, hey, throw in some bookshelves and a desk and you have a stereotypical office!
My parents also had a "study" (the house was built pre-internet, when people had studies) I actually used it as a bedroom as a teenager, but there were a couple things that separated it from a "bedroom" There were floor to ceiling built in bookshelves all along a large wall, but there was no closet. There was also a phone jack, which was a feature none of the other bedrooms had. The room was also sort of oddly shaped, with no clear place to put a bed without it blocking some of the floor to ceiling bookshelves.
So, yeah, there are some things, but, in many cases, they could be used interchangeably. I'm using a second bedroom as an office right now, and it's basically just a big office with a closet!
I have a dedicated office room, not split with another room.
Though I have a small apartment without a couch or living room, I still do 90%+ of my work done at home from the office desk.
As for me, and I admit this is weird, I have wanted a home office since I was kid. And now that I have one it's my favorite room in the house. I'm not married nor do I have kids. But a quiet, very functional room where one can sit and concentrate, for real work or for a hobby, where friends who come over aren't going to touch shit, where you can work on something you take seriously is really a gift. The bedroom might be the most fun room in the house, but a home office is where the magic can happen.
Good luck to these people with their Macbooks Air sitting and working in bed.
I think the concepts of what I home needs has changed. They are more expensive than our parents generation so every part has to have a function. When I visit friends and see that they have 2 offices, one for each of them, I just think what a waste of valuable space. Like you have so many rooms you're inventing functions for them; what's next the gift wrapping room?
Personally I can't stand working on a laptop in any serious capacity. During an emergency if I need to VPN into work quick and restart some problem child machine? Sure. Actually sitting and building something from scratch? God no. I mean with a gun to my head I could make it work but given any other options, be it a table, a desk, preferably with my Thunderbolt displays, I'd choose a real surface over lounging with a laptop any day.
When I do sit down to do some writing though my Surface shines, it's the only computer I've been able to use comfortably not sitting. Maybe this is just something the author and their co-workers experience also being writers. But yeah, any serious mental heavy lifting work happens in my office.
(1) DYING, people, death! feel your amygdala respond! fight, flight or freeze! remain suggestible!
It's possible to teach yourself to ignore distractions. However, putting the body under that stress over time will have consequences. It takes longer than your 20s to evolve. Unfortunately, even with exercise, you will eventually have to correct those habits.
I'm curious to see what people born in the 90s do when they get to their 30s.
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Now that everything's digital and on your phone/laptop, most people don't need any of that anymore. It's kind of crazy when you realize it. You don't need a dedicated room -- you can use whatever room in the house is currently quiet and unoccupied.
I still work at home a lot of the time, but I prefer the strict divide between 'work' and 'home' that the office affords me. It is also a place to store all the extraneous hardware I seem to have accumulated - Anyone want a HP Compaq 9020 laptop? :)
"60 percent of employers let workers telecommute, up threefold from 1996"
Edit: link to the SHRM survey -- anyone have member access to the PDF? https://www.shrm.org/hr-today/trends-and-forecasting/researc...
Nothing worse than a kid, clearly old enough to understand the concept of a closed door, who constantly interrupt an audio/video conf.
Doesn't work well if you need your brain fully engaged.
Now? A wireless printer can be hidden in a nook and laptop makes any place a work area.
I have a "work area". And when I close the door, I've left the office. I'm not at work. I don't want my couch to be a work area, I don't want the bedroom to be a work area. I need to be able to leave work at the end of the day.