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Ships Buried Under San Francisco

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Relevance: The recent discussions[0,1] on the sinking Millennium Tower (and possibly Salesforce East/350 Mission, based on the ESA isometric plots in [1]). The map[2] clearly shows that the corner of Mission & Fremont was once just offshore.

Additionally, as someone who's been lucky enough to live nearby, it's just absolutely cool to be able to 'walk' through history like this in an area that is largely derided as being sterile and faceless.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12206158

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13036377

[2]: http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/history/hpshpb_2014.jpg

Your third link doesn't work unless you come from http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/history/hgshp5.htm

Odd, works on my end in an incog window.

Unrelated: huge fan of your lpeg_patterns & mmdblua work, among others. Many, many thanks - made my life much easier.

My favorite of these is the ship that the muni metro goes through at the embarcadero portal:

http://sfist.com/2016/07/22/fun_fact_the_muni_metro_runs_thr...

There was a recent 99% Invisible about this: 99percentinvisible.org/episode/making-up-ground

Actual clickable link: http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/making-up-ground

It's a really good one

If you are into this kind of stuff, I recommend the Drag Me Along tour by Lola Montez: http://www.dragmealongtours.com

so, even back then the SF real estate was so hot that sinking the still serviceable ships was profitable. I think i'll see in my life an artificial island 5-10 miles into the ocean connected to SF by a new super-Golden Gate (after all there is only 20-30m depth :)

Reality just gets closer and closer to Snow Crash.

Isn't there an artificial island in Diamond Age too?

One such ship appears in the recent book "Ajax Penumbra 1969" by Robin Sloan, the prequel to Sloan's "Mr. Penumbra's 24-Hour Bookstore". It's a short fun read.

The map shown here is originally from this page: http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/history/hgshp1.htm

(It's in the lower right, click on it to see the full thing)

Well, what are we waiting for? This is perfectly good real estate...

wiggle is the new blink

Came here to comment similarly. Interesting article, completely unreadable to me due to the wiggle of all the garbage all over the page.

Care to explain... I am lost on what the two of you mean. I didnt notice a page wiggle?

The ads on the page wiggle in place.

"You have free tickets waiting for you! [Click Here]" The [Click Here] button sort of vibrates.

"Win Tix to Unique SF events!" This popup wiggles dead-center on the page like it's hung from a single piece of thread and somebody pushed it.

Thanks... running ghostery and ublock so i didnt notice. On second viewing, the popup for winning tix showed and i saw it.

Yes, this added the page to the 'never visit again' list for me.

One example is the 'click here' button at the very top of the page.

Kill Sticky https://alisdair.mcdiarmid.org/kill-sticky-headers/ fixes that problem for me.

Soon we will have marquees again littering the page.

Since this is the no-politics week, I'm curious what this has to do with technology?

What? Why does that matter? From the political detox post: > What Hacker News is: a place for stories that gratify intellectual curiosity and civil, substantive comments.

This article isn't political, but it is an intellectually gratifying story.

We asked people to flag political stories for a week (just one!) which certainly does not mean "flag all non-technical stories". The non sequitur there ought to be obvious.

There are more things than politics and tech, and those things are important here—important enough that the first paragraph of the site guidelines is explicitly about them:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I fail to understand how buried ships or tidbits about a city's buried ship histories "gratifies one's intellectual curiosity"

Should a posting about the Walled City of Lahore [1] make it to the front page? I really don't think it should. Nor should historical facts about how Las Vegas' iconic casinos aren't really in Las Vegas, but in an unincorporated town called Paradise[2].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walled_City_of_Lahore

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise,_Nevada

Obviously different individuals' curiosities are gratified by different things, but that's a different question.

How come my posting on the Walled City was immediately flagged?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13119544

Sighhh, I half an hour later, I can see how the submission was a tantrum and I suppose I understand that flag. I'll admit it, I was wrong.

Why would a submission that basically says "I think this link is stupid and should not be submitted" not be flagged?

If it were a comment-less submission it might be interesting as an "experiment", although I personally would guess that it would fail to gather attention because wikipedia articles tend to be pretty dry and don't highlight interesting bits well. (assuming the subject itself could be interesting, I haven't looked into it)

Okay, fine, maybe the second one should make it to the front page. But buried ships under a city? That should definitely be flagged as off-topic.

There are topics that are neither tech nor politics. I also think this can be classified as (urban) tech under some loose criteria. My 2c

It's always no-politics week:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

HN isn't limited to technology. As stated in the FAQ: "anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity"

I'm pretty sure it's "anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity, or anything related to San Francisco"

If you mean to imply this doesn't gratify any intellectual curiosity, well, you're welcome to your opinion. Others appear to have their own.

Personally, I've generally been at least mildly interested in the juxtapositions of modern cities and 'ancient' history, and recall similar articles about ships buried in other cities - such as New York.

As such, I'm skeptical about how relevant San Francisco is in terms of generating interest. SF natives will be more aware of SF things to share, so we probably see more SF-related stories here, given the concentration of SF residents in a startups related community such as this, but that won't make e.g. SF politics, sports, etc. any more on topic.

I do mean it as a critique of the relevance of SF articles. (This particular article is actually more interesting than the usual faire that makes it here, like real estate prices and social politics of SF)

I'd guess that HN's traffic is 95%+ outside of SF.

Yes! Thank you. I really don't find this on-topic at all :/

I found it interesting. I like reading about things that provide some kind of tangible connection between history and the present day.

I understand that you didn't find it interesting, but I don't understand how you couldn't.

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