i'll be less blunt than the OP: the fact that politics pisses you off is fine, but the fact that people who are able to see through this bullshit (which is what makes you pissed off, i assume) don't want to be involved is very bad. "somebody else's problem" and "it's not going to be that bad (again)" clearly aren't working.

Yeah, the problem with politics on HN is that HN readers typically don't bring much depth to the discussion.