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Live-Blogging With Adobe CEO

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[Speaking about Mr. Jobs's assertion that Adobe is the No. 1 cause of Mac crashes, Mr. Narayan says if Adobe crashes Apple, that actually has something "to do with the Apple operating system."]

Wow. Any support I had for Mr. Narayan and Flash went right out the window with this one snarky remark. He might as well just blame the users for choosing a Mac in the first place...

It's the one thing I love about chrome -- when flash crashes, I just hit reload. It happens about once a day for me. One time flash crashed so hard, no other flash sites would work until I rebooted the computer.

Agree that Mr. Narayan comment was not a great one but he has a point. Userland applications should not crash the operating system. If Mr. Jobs meant: "No. 1 cause of Safari crashes" then I would agree with Mr. Jobs because Flash does crashes Safari a lot. This means that both Safari and Flash have pending bugs to be fixed (I wonder which one has more bugs per line of code?)

I'm just curious what sites people visit that flash is constantly crashing for them? I visit a fair amount of flash video content sites on a daily basis and I get a flash crash maybe once every two months? Firefox on Vista, latest versions.

Flash crashes for me at least once a day, on Youtube. I'm using a Mac here though, using chrome. I'm guessing the flash implementation for windows is significantly more stable than on mac/linux.

ClickToFlash is an amazing piece of software. The web is a much friendlier place!

The assertion is worded badly.

It isn't the OS that crashes, it is only the Flash process (in OSX 10.6). In 10.5 it runs in the same process as Safari, so in 10.5 the Safari browser crashes when Flash dies.

Safari itself is impressively stable, even the pre-betas.

Non-technical responses, lots of dodging and hand-waving, saying things are a smokescreen without rebutting direct points. Very, very bad move for Adobe. Why would they want to get into a pissing contest with Apple and let Jobs control the conversation?

I don't think you understand what 'control the conversation' means...

> Mr. Murray likens the Apple-Adobe fight to that between reality TV stars Jon and Kate Gosselin

... at that point I stopped and wondered why I am reading this crap.

A terrible title. This will drift right past the front page. I was going to use "Adobe CEO disagrees with Steve Jobs".

Agreed. Can someone (admin / moderator) modify this to avoid double submission?

Here is my question on the open spec part of flash: "Which non-Adobe flash client can be used to play videos on Hulu?". I think the answer is none because of threats made by Adobe.

Ben Horowitz had a post yesterday about founding CEOs vs professional CEOs(http://bhorowitz.com/2010/04/28/why-we-prefer-founding-ceos/). This seems to be almost a perfect example of his point. The founding CEO makes a technical argument about why change is needed and the professional CEO defends his companies current position.

It completely lags any credibility when a hired gun debate with an innovator and founder. Wish he would have waited till he actually had something to say.

This maybe a little of topic but I was reading TUAW and and some one commented that today Apple stock gained and Adobe stock fell. I googled it to check myself and I find it really amusing.

I really wonder about the personal relationship and history between Jobs and Adobe's current exec. I also wonder if anything that happened during the NeXT years affected his thinking (e.g. Display Postscript).

There's no relationship there at all.

The current Adobe execs are pretty much just business folks brought in to make money, once the founder/CEO/CTOs (Geschke and Warnock) left.

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