Males have evolved to extract resources from the environment.
Females have evolved to extract resources from males.
Females have evolved to extract resources from males.
There are other places on the internet where you can ply that art if you want to. If you want to continue to post to HN, please behold the damage you wrought and refrain from doing it again here.
Starting flamewars was not my intention.
When I posted the comment the title of this posting was quite different and it made more sense in that context.
If you wished to ask me to substantiate the comment - you could have done exactly that, no need for threats.
EDIT: I've read the thread in it's entirety.
You're right, it's not the level of discussion I had hoped for.
But I will still maintain that I acted with intellectual integrity and if people have collectively steered towards the lowest common denominator - that is just the way people are.
A sign of times perhaps, but so was this US presidential election. I subscribe to Marcus Aurelius' philosophy of stoicism: "All men are made one for another: either then teach them better, or bear with them."
In the animal kingdom you have uncommon scenarios such as seahorses where the male caries the fertilized eggs or spiders where many times the male is just eaten by the female.
You should also have better manners than to presuppose "he" when speaking of a fellow user.
The person you replied to thought that I was referring to humans exclusively (Close enough, I had not only humans but most primates in mind), while a comment above that level the person thought that I was referring very broadly to animal kingdom.
They also performed the most dangerous activities because women are reproductively far more "valuable".
We did evolve by eating meat. The archeological and even biological evidence for that is quite strong. Eating meat (more specifically fish) allowed for the necessary proteins for brain increase.
But we seem to have evolved to eat as much as possible, thereby, we evolved to be omnivorous.
The difference here is between by what diet we did evolve and to what diet we evolved to. But the by part is purely biological in nature, the to part is also a sociologic one, since it depends, amongst other factors, on the use of fire to cook.
Come on, now!
Now some cynical people might think that you removed the word monkey in order to map this research onto humans, in order to make a point. While I'm sure that's not the case, I think it's worthwhile to recall many other evolved qualities human beings have, such as:
cannibalism
child molestation
incest
murder
organised genocide
disorganised genocide
So I think we can all agree that our ability, however occasional, to transcend our evolved behaviours is a positive and that people who advocate for further improvements are to be respected.
Why not "men evolved to be dumb as rocks on the topic of what they put their penises into?" Equally applicable and evidence backed, no? Equally irrelevant to the topic at hand?
But instead men are simultaneously superior and somehow at the mercy of these "manipulative women."
You seem to want it both ways: you assert men are naturally violent, women are naturally manipulative, therefore we should accept this state of affairs and not be dishonest about it. At the same time you want us to reject the idea of rape culture, even though inherent in your assessment of men is an acceptance of exactly that.
Has it ever occurred to you that Political Correctness acts as training wheels for people who are exhibiting bad natural behaviours? And that this might be a good thing? We teach our children to have good manners, to share and to curb their violence. Of course, no adult wants to be treated as a child, but if there is a social consensus that somebody is infantile, then it seems appropriate to have a mechanism to put manners on them. That consensus is far from punitive. For the most part it doesn't restrict individual liberty.
Many contrarians and "rugged individualists" I know seem to fear that we will fall into a kind of group-think if we allow PC ideas to develop. This it seems to me is just the despair of autocrats. It's our social consensus. We get to form it together. But just saying "PC Crap" doesn't work. We live in a big complex society. It's going to just get more complex.
Many smart people are bored and repelled by these arbitrary social rules - I get that. But your natural repulsion is overcoming your judgement. These are systems. They can work well or badly. Contribute to them to support your values.
I get your points, but I disagree on this one. How people adapt to be perceived by others on the surface - I couldn't care less about that. When they are rotten deep inside, broken and shattered to pieces - no matter how many correctness masks they put on, they are still same piece of s__t. I'll rather know straight upfront who I am dealing with, life is much easier.
So yeah, PC is evil for me. Noble goals for sure, worst possible implementation how to get there.
Absence of shame is like power: it corrupts.
So whatever we call PC, we need something like it. That is my view.
Screencapping this for when HN's users claim they don't make the tech space awful for women.
If number one: Human evolution did not start 50 years ago. How do you think humans used to live for thousands of years, or how primitive tribes live right now? (Spoiler: it is not a feminist's dream) Are human males not more capable of gathering resources due to their inherent traits? Does evolution not select those most capable of reproduction? It does not take a degree in anthropology to put two and two together.
If number two: If basic evolutionary biology is too hurtful, perhaps it is time to consider whether the ideology that led you to feel inadequate is the social construct that needs to be done away with, rather than commonly agreed upon facts.
Which is not to say that this thread isn't bullshit.
I guarantee you'd never see a comment like that voted up on r/2xc.
It's a clear indication of a problem with the community, and there's no way you don't see that...?
That's still sample bias: plenty of such comments also get downvoted, and plenty of opposite comments also get upvoted. Drawing general conclusions about the community in this way is projection.