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Title : "your entire programming stack".

I feel sad when I find that web programmers think there are only web stacks and "programming" refers only to web programming.

It is not entirely the case here, but the description of "a core system" as :

- Database layer

- Remote API layer

- Application layer

made me tick.

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Same here when they refer to front-end as a synonym for Web UIs, as if there wasn't quite a few of us doing 100% native UIs.

how much percent of front-end devs do 'only' native UIs?

I mean even most of the mobile people were web devs once...

Everyone that does applications that require OS APIs, interaction with external devices, factories, embedded, air gaped desktops, care about the UI/UX of the user.

Native UI isn't a synonym for mobiles.

I know that.

My point wasn't that it is a synonym for mobile. I just think there are much more web devs than regular ones AND that most of the mobile devs do (or did) web-dev (before).

And your data source for it is?

But those are niche applications.

Web and mobile are driving the bulk of development these days, so development terms are going to reflect the concentration on Web and mobile.

Mobile is native, thankfully.

And for web, not every business out there is sold to it, thankfully.

There are tons of companies on this planet that only use the web for putting their contact details and that's it, many of which actually use FB for it. All their internal software is desktop based.

The phrasing/example in article is very web-oriented. But can you imagine interacting with your native UI toolkit as an Eve database, similar to how @browser works? Or your external devices over a protocol, similar to how @http or @mqtt works?

Yes, it was called Lisp Machines,Mesa/Cedar and Smalltalk.

> I mean even most of the mobile people were web devs once...

What makes you think that? Most native UI developers I know have never been web devs.

I don't know if I'm right, but I only met web devs who've gone mobile when the hype started

You do realize there is a lot more to computing than "web" and "mobile", I hope?

I don't think this is true. I've worked a major mobile dev studio and not even 1 developer had a background in web dev.

Interesting, I only met only one that had no web experience

Eve aims to be a general purpose language [1] to really replace your "entire programming stack" except for high performance, real-time applications. So, don't be sad :)

[1] http://witheve.com/deepdives/whateveis.html

Always watch out for using word always.

Never say never.

Yeah, this concern crossed my mind when writing the post.

Did you have a specific alternate "core system" you'd prefer I had written about?

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