And that invalidates my comment... how? Microsoft announcements appear here in a nicely-spaced way that seems to garner lots of interest and, yet, not induce fatigue. How and why this is happening is "an exercise left to the reader."
Unless you claim that the submitter is lying your whole 'Hey, nicely done by your PR department, Microsoft' argument goes down the drain.
But you have to be incredibly naive to think social media manipulation isn't a core part of companies marketing strategies today.
If you or anyone sees evidence of astroturfing on HN, please send it to hn@ycombinator.com so we can properly look into it (which we always do). We take the issue seriously, and it's also a serious breach of civility to casually sling these accusations at others. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Action: Microsoft is hostile to Open Source movement for many years.
Reaction: developers have a deep distrust of Microsoft.
2014 - current day
Action: Microsoft open sources a series of core projects and starts contributing to major Open Source projects.
Reaction: ???
Seems like it will take 10 or 15 years for a new round of college students to switch over.. so it has to be a very long term play.
We do mostly Java and .NET projects, and enough juniors get on both stacks.
source: C# and .NET were the first languages I taught myself after PHP in 2007-2008.
Nowadays I would rather do .NET projects than Java ones, as I already have the language and toolchain features today at my disposal that will only be available (with luck) on Java 10.
Also because neither Sun or Oracle really understand what native development should be like.
JavaFX has everything to compete with XAML, yet it really needs some love.
Sometimes a few business classes with .net, but it seems very rare overall.
The professors have a lot of influence in the future..
Microsoft launched CodePlex for open source development in 2006, and it had released some bits of code before that.
Microsoft also started releasing .NET source code in January 2008 under its MS-RSL license [1], so there's been a long transition, not a sudden recent change.
[1] https://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/releasing-the-source-code-fo...
In context, what you've posted here is a sordid attack on a fellow user. That's shameful, and even worse after you got a good-faith response. Please don't do it again.
Sorry for interrupting the circle jerk; I'll go back to lurking.
Again, for the guy who apparently mods this whole thing, and to whom I can't reply: it was a random thought, for which I've been thrashed. Super.
I absolutely alluded to organized PR; I never claimed this was part of it. The timing simply brought the idea to the foreground. I never claimed the author or the poster was a shill. It was just an unfortunate coincidence. I apologize to the internet gods for not doing a thorough background search on this particular post and vetting it so as not to imply that THIS post was part of a conspiracy, or clearly stating that this was NOT implied. The implication just didn't cross my stupid little peabrain mind. Perhaps understanding every nuance of how every single person could interpret a post is part of the terrible, implied responsibility of posting on a public forum, and I readily admit that I utter failed to do so.
By all means, sctb, if you have the power to delete my account, please do so. Because of previous examples of nonsense exactly like this, I've tried several times, but HN offers me no way to do it. So I wind up lurking, then slowly coming back, and then this sort of thing happens again. And I never seem to learn that someone, somewhere will find a reason in ANY post to be upset about it, even AFTER EXPLANATION, and either I find these people way more often than others, or I just have a harder time with the response.
HN purposefully doesn't delete accounts to preserve the conversations and their context. There's a comment from pg around here to that effect.
Edit: here it is: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6813226