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Well, someone's jimmies are rustled.

>Sure, we can spew bs how its racists misoginists haters and worst of all white men

We can, as you apparently are, but I never did. I'm guessing this is where you try to set me up as some kind of SJW strawman, tell me what I really believe and then proceed to tear down the arguments I never actually made?

>People are tired of rampant "social justice" that is vindictive and spiteful >People are tired of being called racists wholesale

Sure, some people are. But Trump can't outlaw "social justice" and can't force people not to accept political correctness, so I have to ask, whether these complaints are relevant in the context of this particular discussion?

>She is mixed in so many scandals, sure, Trump is a scumbag, but what was her message in the race?

>The worst possible identity politics - vote for me, otherwise you are racist deplorable trash.

That wasn't her message, and you probably know perfectly well that it wasn't.

Your comment provides an example of exactly the reactionist ideology I was talking about. You want to discuss "facts and issues" but provide little more than an emotionally charged and intellectually vacant polemic, appealing to anti-left stereotypes and hyperbole. You accuse me of absurd reductionism while apparently blind to the degree to which you're engaging in it yourself, thereby proving my point.

You see, I'm actually proper leftist.

I'm from Europe and I laugh my ass off watching your failing healthcare, your nuclear student debt, your crime, the like

I'm a proper leftist - I want taxes for the rich, singlepayer healthcare, free education, worker rights, real environment protection, etc etc

I'm just outraged at what the fuck is happening. The "left" is so laughable that in Poland we have an upcoming dictator that just took over supreme court, is building a second, volounteer "defence army" that the ruling party just struck down regulation prohibiting it from being used against polish citizens and is on the record saying "we must hold onto power no matter what"

You've got brexit, you've got Trump. In Sweden you got SD, France is looking more and more that Le Pen will win.

And you know why? It's your own fault. The "left" is not able to deal in reality no more and it was busy alienating and radicalising the right

The "clinton email" scandal you put into sweet quotation marks has emails that nicely explain it all as it was happening.

She is THE "devil". She is the epitome of what's wrong with your politics. She is a sellout, she fucked Bernie with a giant cactus (A man who I was so rooting for). She is so despicable that she was unable to beat Trump, who you could tell after 15 minutes of the debate has no fucking clue.

At least he looked genuine, he was uncomfortable and pissed during the debate I watched. She just pandered and pandered and slinged shit at him.

Yes, my jimmies are rustled.

Not because Trump won, I'm not happy Clinton lost, as it was pyrrhic victory.

I'm pissed because the response (from the media) to the "end times" (as I see it) is more bullshit and idiocy, more "ZOMG RACISM, ZOMG WHITELASH"

What the fuck?!

>The "clinton email" scandal you put into sweet quotation marks has emails that nicely explain it all as it was happening.

I never actually put that into "sweet quotation marks."

What you're describing is a systemic problem affecting both the right and the left in the US - each is alienating and radicalizing the other.

>She is THE "devil". She is the epitome of what's wrong with your politics. She is a sellout, she fucked Bernie with a giant cactus (A man who I was so rooting for). She is so despicable that she was unable to beat Trump, who you could tell after 15 minutes of the debate has no fucking clue.

The problem is that Hillary Clinton was the only possible choice out of two valid choices - I wanted to vote for Bernie but I didn't have the option because, among other reasons, the DNC decided a Jew wouldn't be able to carry the south. The problem is also that many Trump supporters don't seem to care that he has no clue. It's as if the right wing is Caligula and they elected a horse President just to see the look on the faces of the Washington elites when he takes a shit on the oval office floor.

You want to talk about being disassociated from reality? I'm from a predominantly Republican and right-wing state that took the conspiracy theories about Jade Helm seriously enough that they mobilized the national guard just in case Obama really was massing globalist shock troops ready to take over the state and start killing Christians and patriots.

I spent the entire election cycle listening to arguments about Hillary's kill count, how Hillary dealt arms to terrorists, how Hillary ran a child sex ring, how Hillary secretly had a brain disease, how Hillary kidnapped a guy and had him tied up in her basement, how Hillary engaged in macabre satanic rituals, how Hillary controlled the media, literally the entire media, but almost nothing about her actual policies and why they were wrong from a political point of view.

No one is willing to concede that reasonable people can disagree anymore - that is the problem with our politics. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are just symptoms - the tumors, but not the cancer.

The American left may be condescending and pandering but the American right has become utterly unhinged, and if Trump is really the best answer they can come up with to address their grievances then as far as I'm concerned they deserve to be marginalized.

It shouldn't be DNC's choice who wins the nomination...why even bother with voting if apparently it doesn't matter?

And my point is the left is so pathetic right now that it lost to Trump and looks like it will loose to similar unhinged people in entirety of Europe

Go on youtube and look for "trump voters getting attacked"

There are genuine scandals with Clinton, yet all we hear is just the retarded flat-earth grade ones

My point is, when you loose to somebody like Trump, did the DNC, the media, the establishment go "hold on a sec, wth just happened?"

Nope, they just doubled down on their nonsense

You've got people burning the US flag now, immigrants being called racists, thugs attacking people in the street

Go watch Hyperreality by Adam Curtis. Then watch "Only the dead know the end of war"

You know, a tiny part of me died during those movies. (however kitsch and melodramatic it sounds) People lived in good times, during the cold war. All they had to worry about was thermonuclear death.

I grew up watching people getting beheaded, murdered, blown to fucking shreds, watched entire middle east murderfuck itself into some sick and twisted kind of hell (all thanks to west's glorious incompetence).

And it's slowly happening in the west too. The west created a monster, and now the monster is past our door, living among us.

I suggest you go to France, to regions where the islamists ("refugees") are concentrating, before you come out with all the "racist" and other "ists" and "isms"

>if Trump is really the best answer they can come up with to address their grievances then as far as I'm concerned they deserve to be marginalized

As that stupid prick Milo said "social justice is dead". The left is learning it cannot shut down discourse with "-ism" spam anymore, but they managed to build up a tide.

You know who made fucking Faux News? It was CNN and ABC and the like, with their horrible propaganda - for a LOOOOONG time their coverage was biased and one had to cross-reference it against a lot of other sources. Now you've got two completely biased bs news (make no mistake, as an European US CNN is fucking disgusting Goebbels-level shit)

Now one had to look through dozen of fringe news sources, having a court proceeding in ones head to try to decide which one is the least bs

And now thanks to lack of credibility you've got fucking cretins rioting (and screaming "peaceful protest" and assauting people in the day. Fuck it all

If it looks like I'm cheering for that, it is somewhat nihilistic

Maybe the non-reality will come crashing down before it's too late.

Judging from the left's reaction, there is no fucking hope

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