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Postgres Autovacuum is Not the Enemy

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The actual title of the article is "Postgres Autovacuum is Not the Enemy". The word "Postgres" is a critical element here and should not be left off.

Yeah, I came up with some pretty dark stuff trying to imagine what an "autovacuum" was.

I thought someone was finally sticking up for Roombas.

The main problem here is that autovacuum threshold is something like c + m * nrows, and in large configurations you could have all sorts of table sizes.

How much change is a lot? 1% of the table + 50 rows (for small tables)? I would argue that sometimes is better to use a fixed threshold, e.g. c = 1000, m=0

All these approaches are hit or miss and are different per configuration. What I found useful is to choose the best parameters you can think of without forcing autovacuum to run everytime, and have an external job run vacuum manually to cleanup whatever got missed... eventually you can figure out the right configuration.

I think the idea for this is either tune it for your problem cases, or if it's an issue at your scale, divide and conqueror your use case (small tables in one physical DB, large tables in another).

I don't understand what problem you have with the combination of threshold + scaling factor (and what would be a better solution). There are no perfect default values for those parameters, as it really depends on workload patterns.

The truth that on most systems you have four types of tables - (large,small) x (frequently modified, static). And usually there are only a few large, frequently modified tables, while the rest is either small or static (or both). At least that's what I see on the multi-TB databases we manage.

There are two approaches:

1) tune the defaults to be aggressive enough even for the large+updated tables (which works because the small small / infrequently modified don't really require that much maintenance, compared to the first category)

2) keep defaults that are fine for majority of tables, and then use ALTER TABLE to override the parameters for the few tables that require more aggressive maintenance

Which is exactly what the blog post is about.

If you have better idea, I'd like to hear it (and I mean that seriously).

I find the recommendation to leave the cost limit alone strange. The problem is this is a global limit, shared by all autovacuum workers. The default (200) means all workers combined should not do more than 8 MB/s reads or 4 MB/s writes, which on current hardware are rather low limits. Increasing the number of workers is good, but the total autovacuum throughput does not change - there will be more workers but they'll go slower.

Also a note regarding the delay - the resolution really depends on hardware. Some timers have only 10ms resolution, for example.

Interesting.

Are you sure that the limit is shared by all workers?

> When the accumulated cost reaches a limit (specified by vacuum_cost_limit), the process performing the operation will sleep for a short period of time, as specified by vacuum_cost_delay. Then it will reset the counter and continue execution.

-- https://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.6/static/runtime-config-re...

Since every worker is it's own process, I assume that the limit applies to each worker, and overall vacuum throughput increases when using more workers.

That being said, your observation about the autovacuum_vacuum_cost_limit and autovacuum_vacuum_cost_delay being potentially too low may still apply.

Your throughput estimate for 8 MB/s (I think per worker) only applies for the vacuum_cost_page_hit (default 1) case. For vacuum_cost_page_miss (default 10), the throughput would only be 0.8 MB/s.

If my understanding of the way a page miss is defined is correct, this will be the common case unless one has increased shared_buffers from it's default of 128 MB to something much larger. That's b/c pg will assume a "page miss" if the page is not in its shared buffer, even if it's in the host OS page cache.

I might be wrong about the caches, so I'd love for somebody with more insights to confirm/reject these assumptions.

Edit: Seems like your 8 MB/s estimate is based on the vacuum_cost_page_miss case. But still, that's pretty low :)

I am pretty sure. Let me quote the official docs from https://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.6/static/runtime-config-au...:

=========================================================== autovacuum_vacuum_cost_limit (integer)

    Specifies the cost limit value that will be used in automatic VACUUM operations. If -1 is specified (which is the default), the regular vacuum_cost_limit value will be used. Note that the value is distributed proportionally among the running autovacuum workers, if there is more than one, so that the sum of the limits for each worker does not exceed the value of this variable. This parameter can only be set in the postgresql.conf file or on the server command line; but the setting can be overridden for individual tables by changing table storage parameters.

===========================================================

So, that's pretty clear, I think. In practice the balancing happens in autovac_balance_cost() function. The autovacuum workers communicate through a chunk of shared memory, and cost rebalancing is one of the things doing that.

Regarding the limits - yes, the 8MB/s is based on vacuum_cost_page_miss=10, which means a read from the OS. Per second, there's the worker process wakes up every 20ms, so 50x per second. As each round has 200 tokens, this means 10.000 tokens per second. Assuming all of them are reads from disk/OS, we can do 1000 of them (because the cost is 10), Which is 8kB x 1000 = 8MB/s reads. OTOH writes are about twice as expensive, leaving us only 500 writes, i.e. 4MB/s.

I completely missed that.

So yeah, your comment is spot on. The default cost settings seem way too low. I'll certainly try tuning them for our postgres servers :).

Thanks!

Unreadable in portrait on mobile?

How does one even begin to think that blocking users from scrolling horizontally on your site is a good idea?

Indeed. overflow: hidden on the parent combined with float: left on the main text - it's bizarre. Why would someone take the whole content of the page out of the main flow like that?

It's also using some kind of javascript callbacks to get responsive placement of the header, rather than media queries.

Thanks for reporting this issue. This looks like a new bug that snuck in recently and we'll be looking at it this week.

What ive found is that if wih the default settings, if you're running over 150 million inserts/updates/deletes a day, your database is going to halt because of transaction wraparound errors. autovacuum simply cant catch up.

the solution for me was to batch inserts and updates in one transaction.

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