Comment by mustafaucar87 | Hacker News Reader

Comment by mustafaucar87 | Hacker News Reader

As a Turkish, there are so much hate going into most of the people's comments going on here.

I am a Turkish citizen and i live there so without the actual experience, most of the things said here is not true and heavily biased.

The people that got arrested last night were actively tied to terrorist organization called PKK and execute under their command. How would you feel there was a senator in your country representing such terrorist organization and continue to do so because he was untouchable because he was elected? How would you feel you left you house or dorm scared that you would be blown into pieces on your way to school or some errand etc?

Those people are widely connected and their supporters are trying to organize violent acts via social media.

Another thing is Turkey is %90+ muslim so It is very odd that people call Erdogan islamist. So what? It is a muslim country. People actually voted for him(including myself and most of the people i know). It is peoples beliefs. You dont say things about Obama or Bush 'Oh he is a Christian Leader' every time you have a conversation that has a negative context.

Thanks Mr. Government supporting PR account. People ilke you are the main reason we are ashamed of and hopeless about our own country.

And if you are serious, definitely we are not living in the same country. I envy you.

BTW, Islamist does not mean Muslim. It's a political ideology. And it's not a democratic one. Erdogan is definitely an Islamist politician.

Edit: And Kurdish politicians and their leader are not terrorists at all. They have never been considered as terrorists since today. Only reason they are on target now is because Erdogan is obsessed with changing the regime and becoming the president while Kurdish party hinders that. The truth in Turkey is as simple as this.

Yes i support my government. I am not going to be ashamed of it and proudly continue to do so. May be you should start supporting it too instead backing a situation where it is about fighting against a terrorist organization.

Watch out, if you disagree with government you are a terrorist supporter.

There is a whole list of things that are wrong with the democratic process in Turkey, one of them is the silencing of political parties & media.

Just a few thoughts from another Turkish citizen.

The people that got arrested last night were allegedly (not actively) tied to a terrorist organization. The legal process is just starting, and these people didn't have their day in court. We didn't even hear what evidence the prosecutor is bringing forward.

You can try these MPs without arresting them. I'm not a lawyer and can't speak to the condition under which these people were arrested.

That said, the Turkish judiciary arrested hundreds of people as part of Ergenekon and Balyoz trials, kept them in jail for years and years, and then pardoned them. And we all just watched.

Everyone in Turkey knows that who/what that party is associated to and supports. They run under PKK executives' commands and that is nowhere near ok and cannot be justifiable by saying they are elected. They knew what they were doing was illegal and kept doing it and now these are the consequences.

Allowing Sinn Fein to publicly represent the interests of a terrorist group equivalent and necessary. I don't know what is supposed to have changed in Turkey that isn't a direct result of the current government being against the Republic and the rights of the people. I also don't recall the current leader doing any time for his black money, so apparently consequences are discretionary.

Representation and and execution are not the same thing. If they only represented some group that does not kill unsuspecting innocent people and not acted like puppets of terrorists(PKK) then they would not be arrested for terrorism charges.

> then they would not be arrested

...because everything Erdogan does is appropriate?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/01/turkish-presid...

Another thing is Turkey is %90+ muslim so It is very odd that people call Erdogan islamist. So what? It is a muslim country.

You think like this but of those %90+ people, half of them don't vote for Erdogan and most of them still call him "islamist".

So, no, it is not OK to think that Islam is the same for you and me and people in IS (Deaş). That is what a secular government solves. You don't discuss things with religion interpretations, you discuss over actual facts.

Turkey is supposed to be a secular country, but unfortunately in the last decade this has been gradually weakened.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism_in_Turkey#Weakening...

I openly criticise any leader who allows ancient myths to influence their actions, no matter which millennia-old stories they choose.

Turkey will only be what its people want it to be. Not some people who are not its citizens think it needs to be.

That's fair and how it should be.

Secular democracies are freer, richer, more stable and more powerful than theocracies (technical exception made for the United Kingdom).

Outsiders aren't saying "you are wrong". They are saying "have you considered your current path will likely leave you less free, more poor and at a higher risk of living in a failed state in one to three generations?"

Look how good of an example you are. Your input is not biased and not above a layer of hatred of Turkey's peoples religion. I find this very constructive and just and above all very true.

I am not supporting it drifting away from secularism. My issue is that whenever someone gets a chance to splash some mud on the country's leader, people are never wasting time and it is always raised with a comment about Erdogans being muslim. Those people getting arrested had nothing to do with religion.

By the way, here is Erdogan prescribing secularism to Egypt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8jh68yICpk

Except Erdogan and his anti-secular movement was a project designed to serve US foreign policy.

One mans "terrorist organization" is another mans "freedom fighters" for their people on this planet.

That's not entirely precise. There might be different freedom organizations that agree on the cause, but disagree on the methods to achieve it. If this is the case (and in many cases it is) then there is a difference.

Don't expect American's to understand anything in your post. Just like the delusions of Wall Street with the housing mess, the tech sector is in deep denial about what their social networks do. Luckily the rest of the world is slowly but surely reacting.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-facebook-idUSKBN12...

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