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The "pros" aren't simply pissed off at the latest MBP. We're pissed off at the continuing trend over the last 5 years of Apple products becoming more difficult or nearly impossible to disassemble, upgrade and repair. We're tired of form over function. Sales targets over user experience.

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I haven't had a need to open a computer in like 16 years. Well that's not entirely true. I one time upgraded the HDD on my old MacBook Pro maybe 6 years ago.

There just isn't a need to do this stuff anymore. Even making your own computer anymore in expensive, confusing, and generally not fun anymore.

For every phone where I could replace the battery, I did. I talked to friends with the same phones, and they often did as well. Comments along the lines of "Wow, battery life as good as new, I'll keep it for another 6 months".

Similar for laptops. Replacing batteries, upgrading ram, and upgrading storage are very common.

You really think that if you blow $2 or $3k on a new laptop that somewhere during it's life you might not want a larger SSD or more than 16GB ram?

Sure it might have made it a mm or two thicker, definitely a price I'd pay for something that's easier to fix (or have fixed) or upgrade.

> Similar for laptops. Replacing batteries, upgrading ram, and upgrading storage are very common.

Don't forget cleaning! Until we get to the point where all components are passively cooled in a sealed container, cleaning a laptop's CPU fan is simply one of those maintenance tasks that will keep a laptop running quiet and cool for years.

And yeah, getting a a bit of extra RAM or the next generation of fast hard disk is a great and cheap way to give a performance boost to an ageing laptop.

On the two MBP that are currently in my home, I have:

  * Changed the RAM (on both)
  * Changed the battery (both)
  * Switched a HDD to a SSD
  * Replaced the touchpad that died
  * Had to do some work on the screen that is slowly dying out

I'm quite happy to do that on computers that are between 6 and 9 years old, it means I can get the most out of them, without paying for a new one each time I need just a little bit more.

I would be completely unable to do that with a newer MBP.

Oh come on that's completely false. Building your own computer now is easier than it's ever been and can be a lot more cost efficient than buying something pre-built.

Not everyone wants to build there own of course, but saying it's expensive, confusing and not fun isn't really true.

Please dont tell me my personal experience is false.

You didn't phrase it as a personal experience. You could have just said "not fun for me anymore". Instead, you implied the world has changed, when it could be just you.

The world has changed. I do not find it fun anymore.

Since you believe that there is some sort of global objective "fun" factor, I believe that this would be useful for you. https://www.superteacherworksheets.com/factopinion.html

Well, that's certainly rude. It seems you missed my point, but it also seems you're not interested in having a grownup conversation today, so I'll leave you alone.

if form over function was an issue to you to begin with then you wouldn't have bought apple in the first place.

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