Any set up where someone is in meetings 5 hours a day every day is a set up where there are huge functional problems where a complete up-down blowup and reorg is needed.
The programmer equivalent attitude is "this code is horrible, it's due for a total re-write." Re-factors and re-orgs are the same things, but there's few regression tests for business besides "oh crap, we lost a bunch of money all of a sudden" which is a lot closer to coding directly in production.