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Comment by vladimir-y | Hacker News Reader

Those things is not a deal breaker, it doesn't make sense to pay double price in comparison with similar laptops just to get above things, especially TouchBar which costs about $500 and will make you fill uncomfortable with laptop at least for a first time (but I guess constantly).

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Yes they are, along with real life battery usage, trackpad, keyboard, size, screen, etc.

I dont know where you got the $500 touchbar, and I don't want to know.

Keep rest mate, I'm glad you made your choice.

> TouchBar which costs about $500

Still waiting...

You will have to wait a long time since

> I dont know where you got the $500 touchbar, and I don't want to know.

A small hint, just compare prices for touchbar based laptops and those with usual fn keys (13 inch model is optionally shipped with usual fn keys, not the 15 inch though).

Comparing the 13" with and without the TouchBar from https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/, the price difference between the $1499 model and the $1999 model covers: TouchBar; faster CPU; an extra 256GB of SSD; slightly better GPU; two more USB-C/TB3 ports; an extra microphone.

This is what I meant, TouchBar + a pack of the minor improvements which should not cost +$500. Also take into the account that seems there is no option to get top hardware, but with an usual fn keys.

It's better to get HP x360 for $1300 with i7-7500U / 512 SSD / 16GB Ram (which in addition has a touch screen and it's convertible) than a slightly worse Macbook for $2000.

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