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I was just at a conference with Marcin in Barcelona, where we ate giant hotel breakfasts together for three days and tried to speak with one another in Polish about technical topics.

A lot of those conversations were about fonts and keyboards, his passion for them, and the history of mechanical writing. And then he drives off to sightsee and finds this place the next day.

It could not have happened to a nicer guy.

It is the Museu de la Tècnica de l'Empordà in Figueres, website http://www.mte.cat/ . According to the website, only open by appointment, so he got lucky indeed that he could just randomly walk into it. The tweets make it seem like the museum is far outside the town, but it's actually just 200m outside the city centre. Figueres is easy to reach by road and both classic and high-speed rail.

One of the key takeaways for me from this story is that we've lost serendipity thanks to the information overload.

Almost all vacations, tours, travels, etc are mapped out and pre-scheduled (even prepaid if possible) before we start on a vacation. The key exploration aspect is lost upon our generation.

Only populist establishments enjoy decent patronage, this affects us culturally as well. We're only exposed to a well curated section of various cultures instead of experiencing them unadulterated.

Would "speak for yourself" be too rude a reply?

Do you disagree with the main thesis of the post you replied to?

If your point is that it is still possible to be serendipitous despite broad societal trends, some words explaining ways you've found to do so, or perhaps how it was received by others, would be far more useful than a low-signal, defensive comment such as "speak for yourself".

I do agree that writing useful comments is time consuming. I sometimes wonder whether there is a worthwhile result. However, I think higher quality comments are more appreciated on HN compared to many other discussion boards.

What they're saying is that this is probably not a societal trend, as you put it. In my anecdotal experience people are doing less and less pre-programmed tours and a lot more of exploration and going off-trail because of all the information we have at our disposal.

It's like the people complaining about all the fancy Lego sets today are removing creativity from Lego, no? One kid might build the set and leave it together forever. But my kid builds the set, leaves it together a few weeks, then uses all the cool new pieces to fuel his crazy creativity.

Likewise, this summer I made a spontaneous trip to Milwaukee for their Irish festival on less than two hours' notice that a band I love was going to be there. Maybe it's just me, but I would never have made a six hour trip to a city I've never been to with no advance planning without the assurance that my smartphone was there to help me navigate my way around.

Whenever I get to a new city, the first thing I do is randomly wander around without a map for hours, and just go where ever I'm drawn to.

I've discovered so many interesting things, places and even people this way.

The biggest problem is finding friends who go along with this. I often had to ditch them and do my own thing on the first day.

On the one hand, I think you're right to an extent - when I travel, I've almost always booked all my accommodation, car hire and so on in advance, all mediated through the Internet, and making my plans relatively inflexible. The internet definitely advantages the "well curated" stuff.

On the other hand, technology has also enabled more flexibility in travel. When my grandmother went on her once-in-a-lifetime trip to Europe 30 years ago, she spent all day on bus tours, going wherever the tour company had chosen to take her. When my father and I went to China, South Korea and Japan two years ago, the only bus tours we went on were to visit the Great Wall and the DMZ. Our accommodation? Bar one location, all booked through sites like Hostelworld. Our air tickets? Booked directly by us, over the internet. We got to choose where and when we did things. Sure, backpackers and so on have been travelling with independence before we had the internet to help us, but technology has brought this independence to a far wider audience with a lower appetite for uncertainty and risk.

> When my grandmother went on her once-in-a-lifetime trip to Europe 30 years ago

I think it's really sad to do a "one in a lifetime trip to Europe". Every single country has way too much to offer to do just "one trip for everything". Hell, you can spend a month a year touring France like my parents and never run out of interesting things to see after 25 years.

Yeah, of course, but you could do the same without ever leaving the US, or in any of the world's continents.

I agree with you, but in defence of my grandmother...

A) Things were a bit different 30 years ago. Flying from Australia to Europe is expensive now, it was even worse then.

B) Things are particularly different when, like my grandmother, you're a working class person, living in a working class inner city suburb, in government housing.

Given those circumstances, I think planning a "once in a lifetime" trip is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

I like to go for runs during my vacations / business travels with the added bonus of seeing parts of the city that I would normally not see or have time to visit I get lost a lot of course (even with GPS route planned out) but this only adds to the opportunity for random discoveries)

I disagree that this has anything to do with information overload or "our generation". It has been true ever since traveling became affordable for the middle class. They were called "tour guides" (both human and in paper form) and many, many people booked a trip and followed them obediently. And those who looked into relaxing often went to the same few tourist resorts filled to the brim, since it was almost impossible to find out whether other places even had lodgings.

I went to Bologna earlier this month and the only thing I had planned was a cooking course for one afternoon.

I loved wandering around and getting lost, stumbling upon museums, places to eat and other interesting places. My mobile provider lets me use my data in other countries, so I was happy knowing that if I felt I was too lost, I could just open Google maps and find my way somewhere.

Sites like tripadvisor add convenience and their rating system, which allows people to filter out the ones that may be a mistake going to. (Although these systems have biases)

Yes, agree TripAdvisor and yelp type things help to avoid bad experiences, but I find them useless for finding good ones.

On the contrary, I find that with pervasive mobile maps and GPS, I can feel free to wander around and get completely lost and never have to worry about not being able to find my way back to my hotel.

Before mobile maps one would buy a street map for something like EUR 5,-. I still do, because I learn the big picture of a city much faster than with an app.

EDIT: <stallman>And the paper map doesn't track you.<\stallman>

For the big picture, sure. But when you're out and about, you need the small picture, the zoomed in picture, the "you are here" picture.

Paper maps are a pain and messy. Constantly folding and unfolding causes annoying creases. It takes longer to work out where you are and what route to take. Am I really arguing about why a map app is superior to a paper map?

Paper maps don't need to be recharged.

They only need replacing when out of date.

I find that using a map app en route, as opposed to actively looking it up beforehand, often I almost immediately forget the route (and sometimes even the rough location of the destination itself).

I've noticed this in particular since occasionally using a map app to navigate around my own city, new friends or people that have moved, if I just follow the map app navigation on my bicycle, good chance I'll have to look it up again next time I go there. Before that, I looked it up at home, memorized the route, and went out (if I forget or get lost, no worries, there's backlit city maps every couple of streets on the back of certain advertisements) and next time I don't need to look up anything.

And it's not just because I memorized it once, a big part is also that I'm actively doing the navigating myself, looking around, orienting, I'm navigating the city instead of following the blue line on the screen, which is really navigating the map.

Very similar to how I, back in the old days, I had more than ten phone numbers memorized in my head (maybe even more, I don't quite remember), without really trying, just because I had to look them up in my physical (paper) address book and physically type in the (10-digit) numbers. After a while you just start to memorize the common ones.

Not saying that map apps aren't useful obviously. But I wouldn't dismiss a good road atlas that quickly.

Paper maps are fine in Western cities, but now you're on a street called สุขุมวิทซอย

I find I often learn the big picture better by studying the satellite picture+map views and the topographical views

I get the same amount of serendipity now with a smartphone as I did pre-Internet. Before, I'd wander around the area randomly and then grab some tourist brochures if I didn't find anything interesting.

Now, I do the same but with GPS to help me fin my way back at the end of the day, and Google instead of brochures.

In both cases, I only use outside help when I want it. The new way is less stressful because it's easier to navigate when you're tired. But it doesn't reduce your ability to just decide to "wander over there and see what we find."

One problem is that many sights are now so crowded that you simply cannot visit them unless you book a time slot in advance. For example the Nasrid Palaces in the Alhambra, or the recent temporary Jeroen Bosch exhibition.

I wouldn't say all, but you do have a point. I like to wander and get lost and eat at places that look interesting. I have friends who literally spend 20 minutes reading TripAdvisor reviews before walking into any restaurant on vacation. It annoys me, but I have to admit I rarely have a completely bad meal with them on vacation.

Funny story time. My first trip to Europe, GPSs were somewhat of a new thing. I rented a car to drive from Paris to Nice with a stop in Epinal to see a US cemetery where my great grandfather was buried. The car was supposed to have a GPS, but did not. Luckily I had printed out directions/maps - or so I thought.

Once we got out of Paris and on the highway things were good, but then we had to get onto side roads in the French countryside. The directions actually had things like 'after your 21st roundabout take the 3rd exit'. Of course we got lost. I noticed a store that looked like a French version of Walmart and pulled over to hopefully buy a GPS.

Since we were a long ways from any big city, no one spoke very good english and my french was terrible. After pointing and making gestures for almost an hour I finally was able to buy a GPS and go on our way. We did make it to the cemetery right before they closed, and made it to Nice much later in the night.

It makes for an entertaining story now, but if we had not stopped and bought that GPS we would not have found the cemetery that ended up being the highlight of the trip.

A road atlas would have been much cheaper and you would have been able to buy one at any gas station without wasting an hour.

We did have some maps, and while a more detailed road atlas would have been cheaper I'm not sure it would have saved much time. Route planning and understanding local road signage can take time, particularly in the dark.

Well, there is plenty of room for exploration even with "information overload", which is more limited than it seems. It just advances to the next level. Real life examples:

- Half the record and book stores in your web search results do not exist any more, but go on with your carefully plotted shopping expedition: you are going to see many interesting other places.

- The most recommended restaurants? According to Tripadvisor, inconveniently located and sold out unless you are able to make a reservation unreasonably early. Drifting through restaurant-rich neighbourhoods looking for a good one with empty seats is more instructive, more fun and more efficient.

- Selecting a good hotel location using good databases means gaining an enormous amount of time. For example a peripheral, affordable hotel in Amsterdam with superb bus service to the train station at all hours (validated on incredibly irritating interactive maps and timetables) or a decent hotel in the centre of Madrid close to many monuments of interest, close to two underground stations covering most important lines and (as seen on Google Street View) in a nice neighbourhood.

- The hotel you found, booked and paid is actually out of business and it was listed by mistake. Your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to find another one in a completely unfamiliar country village at ten o'clock in the night. (I succeeded with help from natives.)

> Almost all vacations, tours, travels, etc are mapped out and pre-scheduled (even prepaid if possible) before we start on a vacation.

That doesn't match my experience at all and I suspect you're incorrect generally (though maybe it's your experience). Technology is a safety net which allows us to be more uncomfortable with lack of planning.

Take accommodation, for example. My parents would never travel somewhere without first having clear plans and a pre-booked hotel reservation. Meanwhile, I regularly travel to places without having any accommodation booked at all. There's even a large and successful app based on this sort of spontaneity: HotelTonight.

Technology makes it much more possible to go on a random detour to a totally random place and feel comfortable that you'll end up fine. Ubiquitous internet has changed travel completely.

> Take accommodation, for example. My parents would never travel somewhere without first having clear plans and a pre-booked hotel reservation.

This is more down to personality than technology. I know plenty of people who traveled spontaneously 40+ years ago. Heck, some of my ancestors left their home countries and migrated thousands of miles with few possessions and no idea what they’d do at the other end.

I usally go geocaching on vacations. This gets you to places that aren't on the typical tourist paths. Just walking from place to place without much planing beside "where's the next geocache". Only using the map so I don't get lost.

> Only populist establishments enjoy decent patronage, this affects us culturally as well. We're only exposed to a well curated section of various cultures instead of experiencing them unadulterated.

I think that anyway, as a tourist, you never get to actually experience the local culture. Without living here you are never going to go below the surface layer anyway.

The shortcut is to make friends with locals. They will share the tips and tricks of the local population, plus they will point out many cultural norms and nuances that one would otherwise miss.

After you share enough experiences with locals, you cease to be a tourist.

Speak for yourself.

There are plenty of people who will grab a backpack, stuff it with clothes, and take a last minute flight to an unfamiliar city just to hang out and see what it's like.

It's not correct to blame a lack of adventurous spirit on an entire culture, or to pass it off as generational.

If you want to get out and see what the world is really like, just go do it. Don't waste time rationalizing why you can't get anything out of it because "we're only exposed to a well curated section of various cultures instead of experiencing them unadulterated."

Sheet music typewriter (from the linked story, if you click "show more" enough times): https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvzBRKIXgAA-cp_.jpg

It makes sense that such a thing would exist, but I've never really thought about what such a machine would look like or how it would work.

I'd like to know more about them honestly. I'm not sure music typewriters would be as practical as transfers (buy a sheet of symbols and rub them onto the page) or stencils. From what I understand the highest quality music typesettings engraved the music in plates. (More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_engraving)

I bet it has push buttons for advancing the paper up and down the staff, greatly simplifying keeping notes aligned compared to a stencil.

It also looks like overstriking the lines on notes above and below the staff would be easier than adding them over a stencil.

I guess it would serve different purposes than engraved music.

This is a more readable version (like Storify) and, contrary to the other Twitter Moment shared here, has all the original tweets intact: https://twitter.com/i/moments/791746773643464704

Twitter is a terrible medium for whatever message might have been hidden in there. I'm sure it must be good for something, but whatever that might be, a story like that is not it.

>Marcin Wichary, the lead typographer and designer at Medium,

Yet we had to read what should have been a blog post in a series of tweets. :)

For those who want to learn a little more about the museum, there's an English language page here:

http://www.mte.cat/content/blogcategory/64/178/lang,ca/

Wonderful. However, a blog-post on their web-site or, say, a post on Medium would have been so much more readable than a tweet-storm you have to keep doing "Show More..." on.

This is the most inspiring story I have read all week. Not a typewriter geek but this story makes a good case. I wish for everyone to stumble like this on a treasure related to what they love.

This reminds me of a similar museum my wife and I stumbled on in Girona this September: Museu del Cinema. Four stories of movie-making history with a very heavy focus on pre-motion picture equipment and devices like magic lanterns, zoetropes, 3D viewers and shadow puppets. We were the only patrons there in this otherwise touristy part of town. Highly recommended!

http://www.museudelcinema.cat/eng/colleccio.php

This museum would make Tom Hanks ecstatic https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12208662

Oh man, I don't care (as much) about typewriters but yeah, what a happy story. It's like visiting a town for a day and learning by accident that the band you've loved for years but never seen live is playing there this very night.

This is a terrible way to tell a story.

I enjoyed it. Something about reading it tweet by tweet made it feel even more like I was on the ride with him as he's discovering something new.

It's not a great UX for reading the story. Which is why the 'moments' version is better:

https://twitter.com/i/moments/791746773643464704

Still pretty intolerable, having to read it sentence-by-painful sentence (I read in blocks), scrolling down half a page and realizing I haven't even read a full paragraph yet.

I finally found something worse than listening to a technical procedure on YouTube.

Sure okay. I see your point. For reading it's no good. Perhaps Twitter should allow normal paragraphs in moments. The tweet could be just the title of the document, but from then on it's anything goes. That would be great, but they probably won't do that.

Possibly OT, but given his offline Google Maps failed him for info/directions, worth noting this place is findable on OSM: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3809950661

For all those warning about clicking the 'Show more' ...come on, there aren't that many times you'd have to do it !! ...and the story is worth it ! I mean, yeah, I agree with all the criticism of twitter UX etc if I were to randomly select a convenient medium that lets me put up series of photos and some text as an ongoing narrative, I'd probably go with twitter as well ...broken as it is from the reader's perspective.

All that said, I find that story fascinating ! Not that I know anything about typewriters but I can relate to the enthusiasm and sheer joy of such a serendipitous discovery. I give my thanks to all the obsessive collectors and connoisseurs of everyday things !

This is a great set of photos if you are into retro- or paleo-tech anything. Really cool.

Also, it is special when it feels like the universe has lined everything up to give you a unique experience. I'm glad this guy shared his.

The irony of using 140 character tweets to talk about old typewriters.

I hope he let the guy downstairs know about his feelings somehow!

Wow, this story makes me thing that we treat "hipster" pretty badly for trying to bring back retro stuff. Museums don't last forever and what better way to keep the past alive than to keep using it in the present. People need to keep shooting in film, using typewriters, restoring old cars, maintaining old technical documentation, just so we can keep having moments like this and ensure that culture lives on.

Wow, I was surprised at how much the 'Moon Alphabet' diagram reminded me of the Graffiti handwriting recognition alphabet from PalmOS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graffiti_(Palm_OS)

I wonder if this is convergent design, or if Palm's Graffiti was more directly influenced by the Moon Alphabet.

Someone really needs to figure out how to make this kind of content readable on Twitter, since I know Twitter won't.

personally, Dali's theater museum is my favorite museum in the whole world and definitely something to check if you are in barcelona/figueres

This reminds me of the similar joy of stumbling across a pianola museum in Amsterdam.

Always a pleasure to find such a well curated niche set of exhibits.

Where are the '1' and '0' on the Bar-Lock? Or did hackers of that time do direct I/O?

The same is true of other old typewriters, e.g. the one patented by Sholes [1]. Typists used l/O instead. This slightly reduced mechanical complexity.

[1] https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pages/US207559-1...

This is so wrong… Did they use old-style figures, too? That's the only way I can imagine it might have looked OK.

In old-style figures, 1 only goes up the x-height, so that wouldn't work. But even in "typewriter" typefaces on computers, 1 and l (el, not eye) look pretty close. And the difference between O and 0 is mostly the width, which is fixed on a typewriter anyway.

I've still encountered text on the Internet that substitutes I for 1 and O for 0, presumably written by people who learned in an earlier era and haven't shaken that habit.

But it's slightly hard to search for because a lot of the search results are OCR errors. Still, I'm sure not all of them are because I've seen this in newly-published news articles (maybe written by journalists or edited by editors who've been in the news business for some decades?).

This is so freaking cool! A mini-history told by someone passionate about it.

He never found the dali museum because it was in the opposite direction

That is amazing

For people who didn't want to click "Show more" a lot, it's a super-enthusiastic story, in tweet form, about accidentally stumbling upon the world's largest typewriter museum in a small town in Spain -- by someone who loves typewriters. If you like typewriters or enthusiasm, you might like reading the story.

You are my hero.

Yeah seriously. Happy for OP but telling stories on Twitter? Come on. Post on a snippet web site and link to it from Twitter or something.

I don't use Twitter, but I though it gave the story a stronger 'live' feeling, making it more engaging. It made it easier to share the feeling of joyful discovery the author experienced.

> It made it easier to share the feeling of joyful discovery the author experienced.

I gave up when the author's tweets, which were already a bit painful to follow, gave way to random comments by others or the author himself and disappeared.

So, I just learned that this is a guy who, when in front of a traffic sign, stops to take a picture of it, and needs to waste time with Google Map to find his path because OMG-I-don't-have-Internet-on-my-phone-what-am-I-gonna-do-I-feel-like-an-adventurer-now, instead of just following the sign, which is why the sign is made for.

I can't wait for Twitter to collapse, honestly. It is a nightmare of usability, of usefulness, of readability and a dozen more *-abilities. That someone purposefully chooses to write on this medium is beyond me.

And submitted to HN by someone who was in Spain (from Australia) just a few days prior to this and would've loved to have visited this museum had I known it existed!

I came across the tweet-story via William Gibson who is very prolific on Twitter (@greatdismal).

I read it in the older OSX Twitter app and didn't have to continually click to unveil more.

Neuromancer was written on a typewriter and William Gibson had never even used a computer before.

I don't like typewriters, but who knew they were so interesting? Some of them are really exotic.

This link seems to provide a more readable version of the story:

https://twitter.com/i/moments/792044988842598400

It doesn't require readers to click 'more' or wade through other users' comments.

I don't know much about Twitter, can someone explain why there are two views like this?

Not sure why there are two views, but the 'moments' view is missing a ton of tweets with photos that are included after the last tweet on the moment page. Worth checking out the tweet-stream version.

twitter is bad at doing things

This version also misses a lot of the really cool other pictures he has inlined.

The branded space bar for example

I think the short answer is "Twitter has bad UX".

If you read this one, you really should read what is on Twitter. This one is missing the majority of the tweets.

Holy cow is Twitter ever garbage at showing you anything even slightly more complicated than a single 140 char comment. Threads, stories, conversations, and any other kinds of actual information is a maze of _see_others_ and _see_more_ and broken context.

That's partly by design, of course. But it should surprise no one that you can't monetize that very well.

I don't see what that has to do with monetization, assuming people are indeed still using the service

They are using the service to go somewhere else and spend their time. That is not monetiszable.

Google search seems to do OK despite almost exclusively being used to take the user somewhere else

Thats because Goggle in general make a lot of money from where they send you. Twitter doesn't.

Moments are basically curated collections. The tweets in them don't have to be from the same thread, or even the same user.

Here is a Moment with all of the guy's tweets and photos from the thread: https://twitter.com/i/moments/791746773643464704

That should be the linkin the OP, thanks.

I urge even people who had read through our link to click the above: it includes pictures that aren't in our current link.

Dang, or Scott, I encourage you to please change the link from the submitted OP link to the above one! While the submission is exciting to click through one by one (an enchanting story), in fact the missing photos (such as of the actual rooms in question) are too much. I enjoyed both reading experience, but the above one should have been our link.

Thank you! We've updated the link from https://twitter.com/mwichary/status/791709895083102209.

Thank you. But I'm not sure why did he decide to put it on Twitter in the first place? Clearly, it's a wrong medium to tell an interesting story.

All this story did to me was remind why I don't read twitter. Short messages, interspersed with some random people's comments... I'm sure whatever did happen was downright magical, but the medium destroyed it for me. Can someone pastebin the story?

Why not use Medium instead of twitter?

"Marcin Wichary, the lead typographer and designer at Medium, is obsessed with all things typeface, including typewriters. So when he chanced upon Museu de la Tècnica in a small Spanish town, nothing could have prepared him for what he found." https://twitter.com/i/moments/792044988842598400

While I agree that Twitter is terrible for this kind of thing (I actually struggled to get back to reread the beginning..), to play a devil's advocate:

Maybe he wouldn't write a blog post about it. Maybe in the beginning, he just thought, I will post this little story that surely will fit in 140 characters. And then, as he uttered first couple tweets, he just started to, kinda naturally, add interesting things he found in the museum. And voila, a blog post.

On the other hand, if he thought, let me write a blog post about it, he could also think, ah scratch it, that's gonna take an afternoon.

So I think twitter simply needs an interface to convert a series of tweets into a blog post. (Or maybe Medium needs a "Smallium" which would work like Twitter except it could convert a series of nanoposts into a Medium post.)

Mods: would make sense to retitle this as "I found a typewriter museum in Spain and I was excited" as the title as it currently stands has limited value.

I think the title is a good metaphor for the events described in the linked tweet storm. I might have clicked on the link as titled, but had it not been a Sunday morning, I might not have done.

As it stands, I did. Following a lengthy tweet storm, not really knowing where it was taking me; Almost gave up at one point until I noticed the "Show More" button; And found myself enjoying a stranger's wonderment at something dear to their heart that took them completely by surprise.

I believe it has exceptional value, in the form of not spoiling the whole thing before you even click on it.

To be frank, I totally lost interest in whatever the magical moment was after clicking the link and realizing I would have to piece it together from a dozen or more twitter posts. If your story involves more than three sentences or so, you can invest a few minutes to post it in a coherent format if you want people to invest the time to read it.

Yes Twitter is painful when read this way. I made it to the end but wasn't happy about the experience.

Then I came back here and discovered the "moments" version of his story here:

https://twitter.com/i/moments/791746773643464704

And FWIW I wouldn't be missing the Dali museum. I appreciate old typewriters, but Dali was the master. There are few artists that come close.

After reading it and having to click "Show More" only about 5-6 times, I'm not sure what all the fuss is about in the comments here.

I think this is a parody to Twitter storytelling. The title is the end of it. Even after opening the log, it's difficult to follow and parts of it remain hidden under "show more" buttons.

Why exactly is this on the top page of HN?

Because people find it interesting?

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