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> average voters either don't care

What were you saying about 'wishful thinking?' A presidential candidate under FBI investigation on election day is huge.

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I haven't seen any numbers that indicate the nation cares either way on this. Here's some analysis of Hilary getting slight gains after the announcement that FBI wouldn't prosecute.[1] Is your comment based on polling or just gut feeling?

[1] http://www.inquisitr.com/3287325/hillary-clinton-polls-did-f...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/09/hi...

This generally seems like a poor signal. People are very bad at reporting what affects their voting decision and a little better at reporting how they will vote. I would be much more apt to believe this was an important factor if we see a shift in the tracking polls or a significant shift in another.

> I haven't seen any numbers that indicate the nation cares either way on this

Regardless of if it will affect their vote (some it will, some it won't), people absolutely do care.

You're right. People do have feelings about this. I didn't mean to discuss feelings. I meant to use the word care to mean more specifically that this is not a deciding factor in a significant number of votes. Which is the only context that matters to me.

I agree, it is! But that still doesn't mean people (or, at least, swing voters) actually care.

Her campaign staff certainly cared about this issue.

It's their job to care about this issue.

Swing voters are exactly who would care, as they should.

Edit: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/09/hi...

Voting for trump has got to be more loathsome to most that putting up with Clinton's shenanigans.

It seems few people are actually voting for Clinton, but rather voting against Trump. What is something like this leaves such a bad taste in their mouth that they decide to not vote at all?

This is definitely the risk. Especially with so many Dems saying "no one cares."

People do care; the way for leftists (like myself) to show that they care is by simply abstaining or going third party which would obviously cripple her.

Your gut's wrong on this one: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-voters-arent-jus...

Most Clinton voters are voting for her, not against Trump.

A single phone poll of "a random national sample of 874 likely voters" (1 in every 350 thousand) does not a fact make in a nation of 300 million people. Sample size is just too small. Such a study would have to be repeated with a larger sample.

56% ± 3.3% at 95% confidence isn't good enough for you?

They are pulling the confidence level out of their asses. The Clinton campaign has been playing with the polling since the start of this campaign.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26551

If this is real, it can be duplicated.

...that confidence level isn't from the campaign. That's just how confidence is calculated. The z score for 95% confidence is 1.96, so the range is:

1.96sqrt(0.56*(1-0.56)/871) ~ 3.3%

We aren't talking about the true population though. You can't use z-scores, not that it would make a huge difference.

FiveThirtyEight is extremely biased however, and greatly oversamples Democrats.

They don't actually even do polls they agrigate data from a variety of sources.

you understand what that email was talking about right?

oversampling is done to get a better view of specific groups. when put back in comparison to the population as a whole they are readjusted for their extra sampling.

those polls were also for internal purposes to the clinton campaign, and not polls that are actually released. so why would there be manipulation in an internal poll that would affect decision making in the clinton camp?

there is literally zero going on in that email but trump supporters saw "oversampled" and freaked out because they didn't know what it meant in regards to polling.

FiveThirtyEight is extremely biased.

Then it's awfully convenient for me that they didn't perform the survey or do the analysis, then.

Back that assertion up with polling data. The polls I've seen show the opposite.

edit: referring to the claim that Clinton voters aren't voting for clinton

Both the candidates are under investigation.

http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/

I'm inclined to agree that it's not going to make much difference; how people vote is more determined by their social group loyalties, especially when things are as fraught as they are already.

One is under criminal investigation by the FBI for actions that are blatantly illegal and we have concrete evidence of occurring. She got off the first time without charges due to a bullshit reason from the FBI ("no reasonable prosecutor would take this up").

One has received a civil lawsuit which means absolutely nothing and is based entirely on he-said-she-said allegations. There is no investigation. I could go file a lawsuit today against you for sexual harassment. It means literally nothing other than I paid an attorney money to go file a piece of paper.

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