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> No USB port that 100 out of 100 keyboards and mice will plug into

I haven't had a non-bluetooth input device since 2009.

We're not all you. I strongly prefer USB devices because I don't have to care about battery charging and pairing. It just works.

Clearly Apple believes there are more people like me (with bluetooth cars, headphones, keyboards, and trackpads) than people like you. Anyways, his "100 out of 100" comment is comically wrong.

No, Apple believes there are more people willing to convert to being like you, and buy all new devices. Not that there are today.

And they're welcome to do so, but they're pushing consumers like me away from their products.

They might believe it but their world market share in the personal computer space being around 5% clearly shows they're wrong.

The USB standard has evolved along the way. It is ironic that you "prefer USB" devices but fails to show support for USB-C ports.

(Edited to be less personal)

Oh, come on. I don't "support" anything, being a fanboy of a peripheral plug variant is a life I don't even want to contemplate.

I'm very happy to adapt to new things, when they offer a demonstrable benefit to me. What benefit does a USB-C keyboard give me, exactly? I don't need the extra bandwidth to transmit keypresses. Why not include one or two traditional USB3 ports alongside the USB-C ports to ease people over to a new standard?

>What benefit does a USB-C keyboard give me, exactly?

That you can connect it to phones with USB-C without any dongles. Almost all new phones have USB-C. Except one from Apple.

...why on earth would I want to connect my full-size PC keyboard to my phone?

/u/MechanicalKeyboards would like a word with you.

> I'm very happy to adapt to new things, when they offer a demonstrable benefit to me.

It takes time before you can see the demonstrable benefit. For starter

- USB-C solves the which side to plug in issue

- It's a unified charging port besides data transfer (one charging cable for all devices in the future)

- It's also a unified display port (one display cable for all devices in the future)

Unfortunately, there's no height for traditional USB ports! If you look at the photos, the 3.5mm jack is just barely fitting. USB-A is ~4.5mm tall, while USB-C is 2.5mm tall.

Compare these images:

15" new: http://images.apple.com/v/macbook-pro/j/images/overview/thun...

15" old: http://www5.pcmag.com/media/images/483214-apple-macbook-pro-...

I don't really need a laptop to be so thin, but it's a defining feature for Apple's "premium" feel.

So make it a 2mm thicker and USABLE WITHOUT HASSLE. So it "just works" no matter where you are!

And use the 2mm for more battery.

being a fanboy of a peripheral plug variant is a life I don't even want to contemplate.

For coming up with that sentence, everyone here owes you a beer.

> We're not all you.

Which, apparently, is only an acceptable response if you're criticizing the decision to remove ports. I have literally no need for a 3 1/2 floppy these days, but I'm sure not everyone "is me". Should that be a standard adapter as well?

No, because the floppy is on 1% devices and the usb is on 99,99%, not really a fair comparison

Many developers use mechanical keyboards - I haven't seen any with Bluetooth (typing this on a Das Keyboard Ultimate)

They do exist! I occasionally use a Varmilo VB87M that connects via BT and charges an internal battery with micro-USB.

There's no reason for this. The switches in a mechanical kb aren't electrically any different than those in a membrane kb.

Not that I'm seriously suggesting it, but it occurs to me that you should be able to make something with an Arduino to make any kb bluetooth.

The point is that they're mechanically different, not electrically.

mechanical difference has nothing to do with their wirelessness or lack thereof

I use the Filco Minila Air. Bluetooth keyboard with all the different cherry switches available.

Not a knock here since I know this is not a majority case, but for marginally quick typists, I would say these wireless/bt keyboards are useless. Input lag is dreadful.

This is the first time I've heard about input lag.

I've used a BT keyboard for years and am the fastest typist out of every developer I've met so clearly something is wrong with your statement.

I type roughly 150 WPM without many errors, though I can burst much higher. The last disconnected keyboards I tried were:

* Apple Wireless Keyboard

* Logitech K 300

* Microsoft -god-knows-what-it-was-called- from back in the day.

In all cases, I experienced stuttering or dropouts of my input at high speeds. This did not happen all the time, but it was frequent enough where I felt the need to go back to a wired keyboard (currently Filco Majestouch). Maybe I had a bad batch, or something was interfering with the signals in my homes. Either way, I don't plan on recommending wireless alternatives for quite some time.

Might be a OK solution if it was not that OSX continuously losing Bluetooth connection, the mouse paring when switching mouse is buggy or you want to play computer games at all.

I despise bluetooth keyboards because they always disconnect at the wrong time.

Now, I do stick with wireless keyboards in general, but that's because the proprietary Logitech dongle has never failed me in years.

If Apple can ever make a Bluetooth keyboard that "just works" in the sort of way they're advertising their upcoming AirPods will, including working properly during the boot menu and every time I restart into Windows, then I might reconsider it.

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