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The difference is that Blackberry spent years ignoring the iphone, pretending they didn't need to change anything.

The car manufacturers don't appear to be ignoring tesla at all. In fact, Tesla is being outsold by more than one of the "old" companies electric cars today.

If you have to compare it to phones, it's much more similar to iphone vs android. Android might not have been first, but they responded quickly.. a variety of phones/cars allows manufacturers to meet the requirements of more market segments.

At the end of the day, Tesla/Apple can only offer a handful of models.. if you don't like it, you're choices are the large variety produced by Android manufacturers. That virtually guarantees Android will have a greater market share than the iphone/Tesla.

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I have a feeling Tesla is a battery company that makes cars to prove a point and generate demand for their batteries.

That's reductive, even if it does indicate the competitive edge tesla has.

I agree.. but it's interesting to think of Tesla in that way.

Powerwall clearly is not a complimentary product of a car. If it was wildly successful, it would have had minimal effect on Tesla's car sales, while having a significant effect on it's battery production.

Similarly, SolarCity (which is merging with Tesla) increases demand for batteries.. but again, has little effect on their car sales.

In fact, the one thing all of their products share in common (solar, powerwall, cars) is that they increase the demand for batteries.

Tesla may be a car manufacturer.. but it would easy to think their primary business is actually batteries.

More battery production -> lower battery prices -> lower car price -> more car sales.

Powerwall doesn't make a lot of sense. It's about 30-40% more expensive than other batteries that were on the market when it came out.

And, while Tesla cars might be bragworthy and worthy of showing off to your friends, house batteries are not. All that really matters is cost and efficiency.

If you already have a Tesla you effectively have a powerwall too. All you need to do is plug it into your home circuit and store whatever energy you want. If the car isn't moving it's just a huge battery. The extra hardware required to convert the energy in the batteries back to household power is pretty trivial, and it shares major characteristics/components with the electronics in the power module of the inverter driving the electric motor in the car.

I don't see the point of that either. It'll just wear out your expensive battery more quickly. And to what end?

One thing that doesn't wear out your battery at all is a smart controller that charges your battery when energy is cheapest. So all that excess night-time wind energy can be sopped up, not to mention that day-time excess solar energy for cars that plug in at work.

It's like storage, only it costs almost nothing: all you need is a lot of cars with overly-large batteries plugged in, and a little predictive software.

In addition to the sibling comment, I'll add that I don't want to have think about whether my EV is at 100% or 30% despite it being connected to the charger for the last 12 hours since I got home from work the day before.

Also, existing EV owners don't have an EV <> Household bidirectional interface connected, and I'm not aware of any serious vehicle manufacturers claiming they will do this. Probably because if the battery has an X kilometer / Y year warranty, how does using it as a household power reserve affect that warranty?

Obviously if you need a full tank you'd unplug your house from the car. But the point of the Tesla car is that, like a gas car, 30% tank is enough for 99% of the days of the year.

An X Km warranty is just an X KWHr warranty in different units.

> I'm not aware of any serious vehicle manufacturers claiming they will do this.

Here in Japan, Nissan has been advertising the capability on TV, and the equipment is available for general sale

http://ev.nissan.co.jp/LEAFTOHOME/index.html

Some Tesla cars have more capacity built in than you can use. You can unlock the extra capacity by paying more. They could use that as distributed storage.

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