How many genes does it take to make a person?
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Central dogma reminder: DNA -> RNA -> Protein.
In the scheme of a person, a gene (DNA) doesn't mean as much as protein folding does. To give a programming example, DNA is the source code, RNA is the compiler and proteins are the executed program.
A "person" is the executed program bc it's the end result. However tracing a lineage back to the source code of DNA to figure out the smallest amount of code required to create the program is often difficult (if not impossible).
Genes are the blueprint, how those genes are transcribed into RNA and then translated into proteins matters FAR more than the amount of genes that it would take to make a sustainable human.
So while I understand what this article is trying to get at, it's missing the central dogma of molecular biology which is still the wild Wild West!
So if you want to diagram it, it would be DNA/RNA --> Protein, where the arrow represents information flow.
Note that (rather ironically!) it was actually Watson who popularized the misinterpretation, in his college textbook. The reason I point this out is that there are many known violations of the Watson version of the central dogma, but none of the Crick version.
Also, I'd take issue with your claim that genes are like a blueprint. I'd say they're more like a recipe, as stated in the article (and I think your comment implies this anyway).
The larger point (that the article mostly ignores) centers around human vanity: we're actually not really much more complicated than many other species, especially our close relatives like the apes. Most of the differences between us and them are developmental, and you don't need many genes to produce such changes.
^ Crick 1956, 'Ideas on Protein Synthesis'. http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/SC/B/B/F/T/_/scbbft.pdf
As cited by their Nobel Prize, it is DNA -> RNA -> Protein. Please do not confuse scientific facts with google searches you've done.
http://www.nobelprize.org/educational/medicine/dna/
Please review this up to date article with how DNA turns into protein, in case you are still needing more reference http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/translation-dna-to-...
That's not the central dogma; it's the misinterpretation of what the central dogma states, which I pointed out in my above comment.
Please follow the link I gave in my earlier comment. I'll quote the pertinent section here for you:
The Central Dogma: "Once information has got into protein it can't get out again".
Here's a follow-up article by Crick, from 1970 (which he wrote in response to repeated misinterpretations of what he'd originally stated):
http://www.dna.caltech.edu/courses/cs191/paperscs191/CrickCe...
I do not believe that you have reviewed my second link which takes you through how DNA goes to RNA then to protein. Yes it's mRNA, but mRNA is RNA.
The inheritable material from DNA is in the nucleotides on the inside of the double helix. Please review the Nature link to understand how DNA goes to RNA and then protein.
In your original post, you state:
Central dogma reminder: DNA -> RNA -> Protein
and what I'm actually arguing with is your description of what the central dogma is stating. Because it actually states
Nucleic Acid --> Protein
My criticism was a technical one regarding information flow, and I wasn't trying to argue against the importance of developmental factors downstream of genes to the production of complexity.
Sorry if I seem pedantic, but we have to be careful with our terminology, because otherwise as soon as someone learns about reverse transcription they write an article saying how the central dogma is dead.
I believe that we both wanted the same thing (accurate information) and I was willing to be simplistic in how the central dogma was presented bc it's straightforward to grasp without talking about mRNA/tRNA/nucleic acids/helicase/etc
I felt like you were initially distracting from the simplistic view that everyone who hasn't studied genetics could understand.
Solid sidebar and I apologize for my tone and thank you for talking about your side with me!!
Have a great day internet friend that loves genetics as well!!
To again use a programming analogy, it's like when you change a variable for the height of an image and then your page doesn't load. You know you did something, but your code is so tightly coupled that it's hard to discern what's going on.
That's my point. DNA is tightly coupled, so if your boss came up to you and asked you "What is the absolute minimum lines of code we can run this business on?" Then you would feel the same way that I did when reading this article!
Genes are hyperparameters in the beginning of a dynamical process that creates a person.
There is relatively straight forward path from DNA -> RNA -> primary structure of proteins.
Complexity starts with more complex folding, secondary, tertiary and quaternary structure and their conformations and changes (can be affected by the state cell is in or environment)
Another source of complexity is the gene regulatory network (GRN). GRN can be modeled as recurrent neural network or stochastic gene network. Genes are like neurons and their activity level is their state. Gene activity is modified by (noisy) activity or inactivity of other genes which have nonlinear inhibitory and excitatory effects on others. The state of the cell is dynamic recurrent process that can implement complex logic and respond to external and internal stimuli. How much it can learn and adapt is interesting question.
Our microbiome, epigenetic factors, environment and the path person takes in life can change how genes express themselves trough this process.
You cannot simply make a zygote with just the DNA from a sperm and an egg together alone. Both parents pronuclei are required for epigenetic reasons. If you try to do this, and the pronuclei are not present, then you will not make any viable offspring.
This is just one example of how oversimplified the model taught by the book is, though it is a useful one. The only thing that is certain is that we are not anywhere near being able to claim to know how many genes it takes to make a person.
It's similar to giving someone a random series of numbers and asking them to continue it. The solution would be to try to understand the RNG instead of blindly pattern matching.
The first is essentially, how many separable ingredients does it require to make a person? This speaks nothing to how often, rarely, or combinatorially those ingredients are used. The answer seems to be a fairly consistent order of magnitude of ~10k unique protein components for a modern organism. With some retaining a lot of old or duplicated code that's been commented out, 'just in case'.
The second (your point) seems even more valid. Many of those individual components are themselves just mix-'n'-matched of separable protein domains. And in fact the entire olfactory system generates thousands of separably functional proteins from a single 'gene' by mixing and matching compatibly functional protein domains. And on this count it's much more difficult to form an answer for the required components in a person. Especially since the DNA itself is not of much help when you're regexing for similar protein domains.
If a production car contains 1,000,000 components to assemble, coming from 50,000 unique part numbers, with each designed part being built by extending/mixing-matching 2000 unique CAD files, using only 30 unique alloys/materials, how many 'components' does it take to make the car?
The better question, exactly, is how many unique functions must the car accomplish in order to be a car. There is still the issue of scale in that, is 'being attached' as valid of a function as 'cooling the engine' or 'moving forward'. At least the counting of components can be done given today's understanding of genetics.