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> It's part of a wave of populist nationalism that we can recognize in many countries

Who's "we"? Learned economists/sociologists, or internet randomers?

Trump wants to "make america great again", Brexiters want to regain their sovereignty from an unaccountable other; they aren't the same thing.

> in effect, for American Fascism

Which way do you think the country was going before Trump came along? Greater freedom, accountability and transparency of government? Does prism, Snowden etc not mean anything?

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No, they're not the same thing. #MAGA is the American populist nationalist movement. Brexit is the British populist nationalist movement. As you have adroitly detected, they are in fact two different countries.

But I'm glad you brought Snowden up. Because that gives me the opportunity to remind you that one of Donald Trump's campaign promises is to put Edward Snowden to death.

Also one of Hillary's campaign promises. And basically what Obama has been trying to do.

Remember Hillary suggested that we should use a drone to take out Julian Assange.

But we should be reminded about Trump taking this position and we should all forget that Obama and Hillary are arguably worse?

To be fair, I thought it wasn't actually Hillary that suggested that. But yes, Obama has ordered quite a few strikes.

No, that is a false statement.

No, it isn't.

So provide a reliable source as citation.

> Remember Hillary suggested that we should use a drone to take out Julian Assange.

There is no reliable original source for this. Try not to present unsubstantiated quotes as fact.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12736568

No, Clinton has not made a public declaration that Snowden should be put to death, as Trump has.

They aren't the same kind of thing either, America isn't voting to remove itself from any kind of union.

I guess we'll see what happens.

> one of Donald Trump's campaign promises is to put Edward Snowden to death.

That is heartbreaking. Thank you for informing me. Whoever we elect, this absolutely cannot happen.

He has also suggested, "going after their families" as a strategy to combat terrorism. Can we elect someone, to stand over the world, who has made such statements? We really need a third option. A quote from some wise-guy somewhere [0]: "315 to 320 million people; this is the best two that we can come up with?"

0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3O01EfM5fU&t=37

"Does prism, Snowden etc not mean anything?"

I certainly haven't heard Trump defending Snowden or promising to get rid of programs like Prism.

How would it help? He hasn't said he'd extend either program either.

And he's never actually meant anything he's ever said, and then he usually goes on to contradict himself if he ever mentions anything more than once, so it really doesn't matter that he hasn't said anything about it either way.

Man isn't telling anyone what he plans to actually do. I hope it's "fuck up the crypto-fascist institution" ...

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