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"unremovable crapware" like... Google Play Music, Google Play Movies, Google Play Books, Allo, Android Pay, Gmail, YouTube, Google Maps, Google Translate, et al.?

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Short version: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I keep that although I don't use it really, no, no, yes

Different use cases and all, I guess. The first three are irrelevant in my world (and arguably should be opt in - add their Games thing to that list). You follow with yet another IM/chat/voip application. Android Pay? I'm neither interested, nor do I believe that adoption around here is high enough to use it for anything remotely serious. GMail is something I don't really use anymore, but still keep due to my mostly dormant Google account. YouTube is neat, honestly. Google Translate is something I rarely have a use for. If I need that, translate.google.com works fine in Firefox. Why would I install that as an application?

(Update: Only just noticed that you answered in my 'Samsung crapware' thread, I complained about 'Google crapware' in a sibling thread. Maybe we're actually in agreement? I cannot tell if you honestly consider Google's stuff as crap - as I do - or if this is sarcasm)

I just find it an interesting double standard where many people consider Samsung software bloat, and Google software not-bloat. Even though Google's is only there because it's contractually required, and it's equally non-removable.

Glad to hear you agree non-removable bloat is bad across the board! :)

Google's apps don't run unless you launch them.

And I can install a 'Skype stub' application that doesn't do a thing unless you start it as well.

It's still crapware, unwanted and useless. If I want anything but the Play Store (honestly.. I shudder, whenever I have to write/say that name. How can you take that name serious, ever?) itself, I can install it. Preinstalling applications is a Bad Idea™ most of the time, clutter if you're feeling nice, abusing the market position otherwise.

Why would I need Chrome on my mobile? Why is it impossible to remove it?

I don't disagree, but it's not a double standard to be more irritated by apps that get in your face and drain additional resources.

Play Services is running all the time by default. It's default configuration is to run location services, which is highly battery intensive, to report your location to Google on a regular basis... a huge privacy issue. The Play Store auto-updates all these Google apps by default, which can use a lot of data. Play Services can and does update itself even with auto-updates disabled.

It's very hard to justify Google Play Services as anything other than malware, because it has all of the primary functions and behaviors of a virus.

I don't think you void warranty if you uninstall google apps, samsung on the other hand...even if you try to uninstall apps by getting root they get installed automatically on reboot, you have to flash a new rom to remove stuff.

You can't uninstall Google Apps without the same level of difficulty of removing Samsung's apps, they both live in the system partition.

Touchwiz > All of that!

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