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It's a simple comparison really:

Trump - (paraphased) Muslims are evil, they should be registered and have special restrictions placed on them.

He singled out a single religious group. Made them the target of a group of people that are disposed to hating them. It goes against the very spirit of modern western democracy. To many it represents a clear and unforseen threat to our country. Even Bush who was clearly the most aggressive of the recent presidents in dealing with Muslim states, stopped WAY short of that. Clinton has clearly not singled out any one group, clearly tried to bring more people together. To compare the two is blatantly overlooking the clear differences in Trump's campaign and nearly every other one in recent history.

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There’s a major problem with Muslim refugees in Europe right now. My girlfriend used to love visiting Paris, now it’s basically a no-go zone even in daytime. What he’s saying is based on reality, even if it makes you feel all bad inside when you hear it. Even in the US, where the refugee problem doesn’t exist, you still learn after terrorist attacks that, f.e. the family knew, or that the attacker had bomb equipment all over the apartment, but nobody said anything.

These are national security issues, and they need to be addressed by the president, i’m glad he’s doing it, same for illegal immigration, even if he’s doing it in a cringe-worthy, populist way. He’s not a life-long politician.

Anytime a tragedy happens right now, first thing you hear is Obama and Clinton taking about guns being the problem, and wanting to disarm you, or that all Muslims are amazing people. You never hear the problem being addressed. It is rather scary to see your president, and potential future president do that.

> My girlfriend used to love visiting Paris, now it’s basically a no-go zone even in daytime.

What are you talking about. I've lived in Paris for 40+ years, there is no special problems. We had terrorists attacks, we may have more, but basically nobody cares much about it or talks about it, and life is the same as it's always been (lots of traffic, lots of people in the subway, weather not great).

Marine Le Pen is polling above 30% in France (in the same type of polls that understated Brexit). It's a stretch to claim that "nobody cares" because clearly there is significant discontent being expressed politically.

> major problem with Muslim refugees in Europe

I'm a theological noncognitivist so I couldn't care less about what religion is more "evil" but move any group (Muslim, Christian or even a bunch of Pastafarians) from such a condition to the middle of Europe, and you will get similar results. They are more human than they are Muslim.

I'm not going to go on about how not actually that bad the situation is because that is not the point.

No, you move a group of people, who don't share western values into the middle of the western civilization and this is what you get. Syria is not the only war-torn country on Earth.

Paris a no-go zone, in daytime? That's laughable.

It is indeed a wild exaggeration, as anyone who's recently visited Paris can tell you.

But there are some problem areas where the police unions say they can't go:

https://www.thelocal.fr/20161010/are-there-police-no-go-zone...

“The police can’t apply the law in these areas, they are attacked. If the police can’t do their work it’s because there are criminals and delinquents who don’t respect the law.”

“It’s not just a problem with this government it’s a problem with all French governments over the last 20 years. Governments will never admit there are no-go zones because it’s a sign of a failed state."

There’s a major problem with Muslim refugees in Europe right now. My girlfriend used to love visiting Paris, now it’s basically a no-go zone even in daytime.

I think you and your racist girlfriend should probably go visit some other country instead. I am sure you can find some nice white safe space where you can fondle your your personal weaponry without being considered mentally unstable, but Europe is definitely not going to be to your liking.

My girlfriend used to love visiting Paris, now it’s basically a no-go zone even in daytime.

A bizarre thing to say, for multiple reasons. Most chiefly being, Paris has quite famously had a large Muslim population for several decades now -- which the recent refugee influx has hardly made a measurable impact on.

So he's saying his girlfriend "used to" love visiting Paris, with all its Muslims, up until about 2-3 years ago -- but now it's a "no-go zone"?

You are exaggerating, completely. But lets presume you are not.

How does Trump's fear mongering and threats of violating the constitution help? Opressing a group based on their religion have never in the course of history made a anything safer. It just creates bigger problems later. Once he opens the door to religious oppression how do you know that the next president won't use that power against you?

Trump is an existential threat to the United States.

> There’s a major problem with Muslim refugees in Europe right now.

And it's a refugee problem, not a Muslim problem.

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