The foreign words that seem like English, but aren't
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It's important to understand that few Germans are even aware it exists and its conservative views are extremely unpopular and non-standard. Even the Council for German Orthography which regulates German orthography as taught in schools only has two Association representatives in its total of 18 German council members.
In practice Germans generally regard the Duden (the equivalent of the Oxford English Dictionary) as the ultimate authority on German orthography and vocabulary. And the Duden generally takes a descriptivist approach, adapting to language change rather than trying to halt it.
Additionally, there seems to be a strong correlation between Germans with strong opinions about loan words and Germans with strong opinions about immigrants (or more recently the loss of "occidental identity" via "Überfremdung").
There are of course people who feel strongly about language who aren't also nazis in the more literal sense but the kind of complaints people have about language use often gives you a relatively safe indicator of their political views:
Complaining about wrong apostrophe use: moderate grammar nazi
Complaining about excessive use of English loan words in office culture: red-blooded grammar nazi
Complaining about "Elektronik" not meaning "electronics": moderate actual nazi
Complaining about "Handy" or "Portemonnaie": red-blooded actual nazi
Fellow German native speaker here: Elektronik means electronics, doesn't it? At least dict.leo.org and the Oxford German Dictionary (which came with my Mac) seem to say it does.
Elektronik | elɛkˈtroːnɪk |
Fem. Elektronik
1 electronics sing., no art.
2 (Bestandteile) electronic parts pl. electronics pl.
Your other examples are spot on, so obviously I'm missing something in this case.The language nazis are complaining we already have the word Elektrik for that because in German that apparently includes what is colloquially called Elektronik.
It's mostly an argument based on word origins (i.e. they say Elektronik would have to be similar to Mechatronik in that it would specifically refer to electronic motors and such rather than typical consumer electronics).
Of course Elektronik does have a distinct meaning separate from Elektrik and the entire argument is based on a simplistic understanding of how human language works.
But like many of the more outlandish arguments this boils down to "foreign words are corrupting our Germanic language and ultimately destroying our culture" -- which of course is insane.
The entire "Germanize the German language" idea was pretty popular in the Nazi era, btw, giving rise to many failed word creations as well as a few that stuck around (I think "Bürgersteig" successfully replaced the French loan word "Trottoir").
I guess "xenophobic asshole" is a more accurate term but I thought "nazi" conveys enough meaning without resorting on language Americans might find offensive.
That said, "Analysis" is a distinct term in mathematics (I think the meaning is the same in English in that context). Outside of mathematics it is actually "Analyse" (such as when analysing a substance in chemistry or inspecting something in close detail in general). I don't think "Zerlegung" is particularly widely used in any context but it might be.
I was a bit confused when I began studying computer science in university because all my prior exposure to programming had been colloquial or in English. But German academia had actually created its own vocabulary for things like stacks ("Stapel") and arrays ("Felder"), which are mostly just exact translations. This seems particularly awkward when nearly all actual programming is done in English and the academic and practical vocabulary clashes so hard.
Check it out: http://anglish.wikia.com/wiki/Main_leaf
https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=alt.language...
Well, they both refer to hands, I guess. The Chinese word is 手机 shouji "hand machine". "Phone" is 电话 dianhua "electric speech". Those two words aren't related.
Checking the Wikipedia article for walkie-talkie just now, it seems the formal name for it is "handheld transceiver", so it makes sense that "handy" would derive from that.
Edit: I was too lazy, scrolling down a bit on the same article mentions and explains the term "hand[y|ie]".
I think most native speakers who aren't technical would pick something from that list which probably doesn't have "USB" in it and then wrap it with "little" and "thing" - eg. "little thumb drive thing".
When talking to some of the US customers they use it as well. It is not as popular as USB stick or Flash drive, but still quite common.
Everyone I know says flash drive or USB stick or thumb drive, roughly in that order of popularity.
Maybe you are talking about tech people. I am talking about mix.
What's interesting is that in Europe, DECT was designed to work the same way, but it never caught on as anything aside from a home cordless phone standard. Wikipedia says there was even a public DECT network in Italy until 2001.
There's a ton of examples in France for some reason. Brushing as in the article, but also "pressing" for the dry cleaner.
In Chile they say all the time, "catchai'?", meaning "did you catch what I said?" Equivalent of "y'know?" It took me a while to realize that they conjugate it too.. To say, "I didn't understand," they'll say, "No catcho." Beautiful ;)
My favorite are ones like "left over"... a baseball term for a hit that goes over the left-fielder's head, rather than uneaten food saved for later.
English admits a ton of these as well. I'd be horrified if someone recommended a board to keep English pure from foreign influences though. It seems both futile and xenophobic.
Languages are like old shoes. They are going to get beat up with use, but are wasted if you just lock them away to prevent it. And maybe as you wear them around, they'll get more character and more comfortable.
All our eating meat words are French for instance (Beef, Mutton, Pork) whereas the animal words are "English" (Cow, Sheep, Pig) because the Norman invasion replaced all the old English aristocracy - the commoners raised the animals, the nobles ate them. That was just one conquest and we've had several - the Romans, Celts, Danes etc.
To say nothing of important words taken from German, Italian let alone Latin and Greek.
That's the reason it's such a mare to learn - it's accepted that we have more words than any other language.
There is no such thing as pure English - and a good thing too!
No. "risqué" is also an adjective denoting that something involves risks (like "risky" in English) or that a statement is licentious, shocking (like "risqué" in English).
On a related note, I have yet to encounter a French speaker saying in English "Sorry to derange you", but I am hopeful it will one day happen.
But check also has an interesting etymology. Its many meanings include a type of payment note (aka "cheque"), to obstruct ("check somebody's progress", "body check"), to verify, to inspect; also checker (divide into small squares) and exchequer (the UK treasury)... all come from the Persian word shah, meaning king, through chess-related metaphors. (Also the word chess itself)
If "border control" means literally controlling the border, does that make "passport control" some sort of obtuse synecdoche, where they check the passport in order to control the border?
Clubs that only enforce Dress Code will prohibit you from entering only if your clothes don't match the requirements.
Those clubs with Face Control will prohibit your entrance for whatever reason they want. Usually it's just an extortion (левак) and you have to bribe your way in (дать на лапу). Although sometimes, it's about the gender ratio or your sexual preferences. Clubs have to make sure that the party doesn't turn into a sausage party and keep away people who can cause problems.
Левак = money made on the left (on the side). Most likely illegal or against company's policy
Дать на лапу = to give (money) to someone's paw (hand)
Extortion makes no sense. Clubs are commercial venues. Everything that personnel extortions comes straight from owners' pocket. So they have huge incentive to figure it out, and I personally haven't experienced that kind of thing.
Extortion doesn't come from owner's pockets. That money comes from guests who want to enter the club but won't be able to do so unless they pay.
I always say: Tell me who you work as and I will tell you how you make "left" money.
Every guest who chooses to not participate won't spend money at the club. Every guest who chooses to participate will now spend less money at the club. If you're the club owner you'll definitely make sure that paying customers' entrance to the venue is unobstructed.
Also, "le week-end" comes to mind although it's not different from its English original. "Naan bread" is also interesting.
Mr. Obama (Обама) -> Obamushka (Обамушка) Mr. Trump (Трамп) -> Trumpuoshechka (Трампушечка)
My personal favorite: Okay (Окэй) -> Okaayshki (Океюшки)
If you curious you can fire up Google Translate and make it say all these words :-)
I think Russian makes heavy use of diminutives, doesn't it? I worked somewhere where two women were called Natalia and Natasha and I am still confused what their actual name were, because Natasha seems to be the diminutive form of Natalia and sometimes Natasha called Natalia "Natasha".
I do not think that there are any German names which are the diminutive of other names.
E.g. "Jupp" is short for "Joseph" and "Kalle" is short for "Karl" (or variants like "Karl-Heinz").
Actually this holds true for many "German" names. East Germany generally has more "English" (and "French") names, e.g. Kevin, Justin, Steve and Jacqueline. Otherwise there seems to be a general trend towards more Nordic names (some jokingly blame it on IKEA: "naming kids after the furniture they were conceived on").
I think they have been popular in the generation of (and before) WW2 and Nazi Germany - though I don't know if there is actually a causal chain to the name vanishing.
First names were shortened.
Robert to Rob
Richard to Rich
William to Will
Then the shortened version had first letter replaced to make second diminutive form
Rob to Bob
Rich to Dick
Will to Bill
Finally you have third diminutive form, by adding ending
Bob to Bobby
Dick to Dicky
Bill to Billy
Also says that dick didn't mean cock until a lot later.
Probably nothing, but still pretty awkward as a foreigner. You'd think these names would fall out of style but apparently everybody tries their best to be mature about it.
"Natasha" is a less formal form of "Natalia". It's indeed a diminutive but I wouldn't call it an affectionate diminutive like "Robert -> Billy". If I'm good friends with "Natalia" I'd probably call her "Natasha".
If you drop the last "a", "Natash" sounds more affectionate.
If you are a 5yo and a neighbour girl from a house across the street hit you with a toy shovel in the head you would probably come back running to your mom/dad, "Mom, Dad "Natashka" ("Natka") hit me with a shovel! She's baaaaaaadddd" :-)
So basically, Russians like to talk like Flanders? :P
So for example "community, communities" becomes "die Community, die Communitys". I personally struggle with this rule, because I think the number of German people knowing the English plural "communities" is actually higher than those knowing the inflection rules for foreign words, making you look stupid when using the correct form.
Another one is that people do not get how to form compound nouns with English words. If you use it in German, "social media manager" becomes "(der) Social-Media-Manager". The rule is so simple: Write everything together, foreign words get a dash. As these words are very common in programming related fields, almost all of the agency websites get them wrong.
The gender of the word is derived from words of similar meaning or just similar sounding words, which sometimes creates conflicts about which gender a word has.
For example we are divided on whether a blog is male or neuter (der Blog/das Blog), we are only sure it is not female.
I'm not sure how this distinction is made. As far as I can tell "Business" and "Software" aren't quite there yet ("Softwareentwickler" is something I see relatively frequently but as far as I know it's still considered non-standard).
> I'm not sure how this distinction is made.
The distinction is being made just like every other German word has been created: By more and more people using them like that and authorities like the Duden recognizing that.
What I dislike about foreign words from English or French is that they are written differently than they are spoken, making you switch language pronunciation mid-sentence while reading. Historically foreign words at some point were also spelled German, I would like to see that done again. At first it will be weird, but a hundred years ago people also found it weird to write "Büro" instead of the original French "bureau", which in everyday live nobody recognizes as originally French anymore.
And japanese has so many of such words that are imported from English with a totally different meaning you d need a book to cover them.
Doesn't seem like they'd stay fresh...
In the US that would be a "parking lot" -- so the French term is pretty close.
Katakana was developed to annotate Chinese script with readings and became an alphabet used by males.
A secondary alphabet developed from cursive writing came to be as a script for women to write in. The tale of Genji is written entirely in hiragana, while contemporary male text would be written entirely using Chinese characters (kanji)
Later we get this merging of the 3 alphabets, with katakana relegated to mostly being used in loan words.
In a sense, it did originate to be used to describe foreign words.
“The Japanese language has no exact word for the color blue. The term the Japanese use, ao, is ambiguous – best translated as blue-green. Ao has the connotations of immaturity and inexperience that the English word green has. When the Japanese wish to be exact – when describing the color of Siamese cats' eyes, for example – they will sometimes resort to the English word blue, which they pronounce "boo-roo."”
One of my favorite confusing words is charenji, or "challenge", which essentially means "to try [doing something difficult]". So a Japanese tourist couple shows up at an American bungee jump and they tell the guys, "we want to challenge!" which sounds like a mistaken version of "we want _A_ challenge" in English.
So the junior bungee jump guy looks over at his boss, and says, "hey...these two say they want a challenge..." not realizing they just want to try a normal bungee jump.
un smoking (lately adapted the ortography to "esmoquin") -> a tuxedo
un parking -> a garage, car park
hacer footing -> to do jogging
hacer zapping -> to channel hop (when viewing TV)
tuning -> customizing/accesorizing cars
un lifting -> a facelift
Also some hybrid anglicisms:
hacer puenting -> to bungee jump (from Spanish "puente", bridge)
hacer balconing -> to jump from a balcony, typically to a swimming pool (from Spanish "balcón", balcony).
And of course, some "true" anglicisms like catering, casting, camping, etc.
They can take the form of "sous-entendus" where the same sentence can be interpreted differently depending on the level of knowledge of the listeners for a particular context.
Play-on-words are also widespread, including the "contrepèterie" art form unique to French.
Various form of "argot" (slang) also use identical words bearing different meanings.
All of these are a big part of our second and third degree humour that elude so many foreigners.
This journalist from the BBC does not seem to be much aware of French culture at all.
"There is no double entendres in France" literally means that "double entendres" are nowhere to be found in France, which in itself makes no sense.
The sentence "there is no double entendres in French" would actually make sense but bears the meaning with which I credited it initially.
If the journalist meant "The expression double entendres is borrowed from French but not used in France where it has no meanings" he/she did a poor job phrasing it.
French makes use of double entendres, they just don't call it that.
ETA: I see this is mentioned in the article. Posted too hastily :-)
SUV is "Jipeta" or "Yipeta" sounding like "Jeep-eta", Diaper is "Pampa" sounding a bit like "Pampers", Trash-can is "Zafacón" coming from the English "Safety-can", and my personal favorite is the word "boche" which is a bit like a scolding or reprimand but comes from "Bull shit."
When the French lost to the british in 177x-ish, people of Quebec were left to fend for themselves. They fought tooth and nail to preserve their culture and language and I think to this day there's still this inertia going on in the way modern French Canadians think.
Moreover, there has been a study/survey showing that isolated culturally homogeneous communities tend to heavy-handedly police (the US style) the use of their native languages. I wish I could find a link to that study :-(
As a native russian speaker living in the US i can actually confirm that the study seems to ring true; i dislike (very much so) when russian speakers start mixing in english words.
But on the other hand, your Québec friend will tell you that you can "plugger" your "laptop", he has "checké" that there is a "plug" that is "loose" on the nearby "powerstrip".
I lived there for a bit more than a year, and I'm pretty sure they use at least as many anglicisms in daily life as we do in France. However, we both pay more attention to the anglicisms used by the others when we're in their country because we're not used to them.
They avoid them a lot more than we do in written language though.
Lol, I always felt jealous of them. They would just blend in with the crowd. In contrast, I have a very pronounced accent in English and don't even get me started on my French.
I met some ladies from Quebec while in France, and they were horrified at how tainted the French spoken by the natives had become. They said at one point they just started speaking exclusively in English because they couldn't stand hearing French butchered by the natives.
It's apparently a common phenomenon that language continues to evolve and grow in the native country, while in colonies and former colonies, people tend to become more protective and orthodox about the language. There is some research that suggests that certain American accents are closer to the British accents of the colonists than the modern British accent is.
Language continues to evolve and grow everywhere. What's going on isn't some impossible impulse in the Quebecois to conserve their language; they are trying to differentiate themselves from English-speaking Canada. The French in France don't need to worry about getting culturally absorbed in the way the Quebecois do.
But they still do, sorty of, in that France has some of the strictest laws pertaining to language use in Europe.
It's not just language. I assume that it's because while the native population marches on naturally, the emigrants are trying to preserve the culture and language they brought with them, with no influence from their original home country. Being surrounded by a foreign language/culture probably also leads to emphasising the distinctions (e.g. to avoid loan words out of fear of watering down your identity).
There's a funny youtube video of a French Canadian girl who lives in France and compares the number of anglicisms in the movie "Starbucks" and its French remake (not sure why they did a remake) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Cw9ywW-TU Video is in French but the movie Starbucks had way more anglicisms in it. Nothing scientific here but having lived many years in Montreal I can tell you that the French spoken in Quebec is far from being English free.
My understanding, from spending a few days in Quebec, interacting with people from there, and listening to lots of shows about the french language, there are two school of thoughts in Quebec:
- one that french as to be pure, where pure means not a single word with roots that can be traced back to english.
- one that borrows a lot of words from modern english, which are pronounced with an english accent (as opposed to english word adopted in France, which are pronounced with a french accent).
I don't know where the line is drawn, if they are the same people in different context, or a social class, or just a conscious decision to adopt one vs the other, but all the jazz about language laws there seem to be coming from the first group.
Also note there isn't a single version of the french language in Canada, but several across the country which is based on where the original people came from in France, and what influence that language has had over the past 400 years.
Unsurprisingly the phenomenon also exits in English, for example Zeitgeist means something slightly different in German than in English and I wouldn't use in German in the same way I see it used in English.
Do you speak Spanish or Catalan with your friends and family when discussing things like Facebook?
In Toronto’s nightlife, there were definitely establishments referred to in English as “After Hours’.”
In the days when liquor could not be served after 1am in Ontario, such places purported to serve only espresso and soft drinks, but there was nearly always some kind of nudge-nudge-wink-wink way to order some kind of alcoholic drink.
The entire 80s decade is a hazy blur to me for some reason or other, but I seem to recall places like “Le Tube” opening at around 11pm, but not getting going until 1:30am when everyone left the ordinary clubs.
(The building that housed Le Tube is now the home to a leather shop that has a large kink clientele. I believe that the things people wore to LeTube in its heyday were at least as risqué as the fetish items they buy in that location today.)
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Anyhow, absolutely these are loanwords from English into other languages like German, but I dispute that “After Hours” is not used in English.
My wife got an advertising postcard (for hair gel) from her sister with a picture of a woman whose hair was whipped into a swirl. The card said "Sei kein Blender" (don't be a "blender"). I was sure this was Dinglish for "don't look like you got your hair caught in a blender -- use our hair gel". But my wife informed me that it was the opposite: "Don't look like everyone else (i.e. blend in): use our hair gel to give yourself an absurd hairstyle"
There are also fun formations from ex pats, like the Franglais "callinsicker" I've heard French friends use in SF when we're speaking French; it literally means "to call in sick" (i.e. skyve off work).
The only thing I could see would be the use of the pseudo-anglicism instead of the English phrase, but that just seems to be specifying the specific word that amused them, not exaggerating the English phrase we would associate with it for effect.
i.e. that's an authentic transcription of a (borrowed) Japanese word, not a rude impression of a Japanese person mangling English.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gairaigo_and_wasei-eig...
But given that the distinct japanese style of animation and storytelling (what the west knows as "anime") has spawned a whole industry and subculture and has become part of japan's image in the world, it would seem to me to be too important to not give it a distinct name. So I wonder, is there a different term in japanese for it?
Then there is the old word for baguette (the French type of bread) that was called "pain riche". This is from the first restaurant in Sweden to serve it which was called "Riche". I think everybody have heard stories about Swedes in the 80's trying to order that in France and the confused look from the French. These days people use the proper French word to describe it.
"Skinship" - try and guess what that means.
Note that skinship has been borrowed back with a different nuance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_intimacy#Skinship
Not sure if explanations of the words from other languages are similarly misleading.
We also have e.g."vorspiel" and "nachspiel" for "pre party" (private party before going out, where you can get drunk cheaply...) and "after party" respectively.
Two of my favourite misunderstandings between NZ and US English are the meaning of the words fanny and pissed.
A "Projektor" is almost always analogue, except for cinemas (where the audience typically can't see the projector directly). It wouldn't be totally unexpected to refer to a "Beamer" as a "Projektor" but it might seem a bit weird or old-fashioned.
I grew up calling them all "tennis shoes", though I don't think I ever met anyone who played tennis. "Sneakers" was a secondary term.
I can't sort out the real from the folk etymologies though.
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