US carriers halt Samsung Note 7 sales and replacements
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And for some reason they won't launch it in Europe and steal Samsung's sales. Madness, it's by far the most compelling phone available right now.
Happy with the one I got in Korea ...
It is completely insane. I'd buy one tomorrow. But I cant
http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-admits-g4-bootloop-proble...
http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-v10-bootloop-problem-7113...
On the one hand, the hard ware is great. I got them cheap refurbished and they have a good community. On the other it gets hot, like burning hot touch. I've been through three batteries since getting it. The boot loop on mine made me switch phones. The thing that is making me pause with them is the software. I'm not fond of the custimaztions, but I can live with them. What got me is getting a marshmallow security update nuked the phone. WiFi stopped working, any earphones in the jack always started "Ok Google" recognigtion. Cell Signal went to 2G, and the Home/Back/OpenApps buttons stopped working. It turned the phone into a brick. I finally got around to rolling back this weekend, which took several hours. This wasn't just me I saw similar complaints on XDA.
OLED displays are so good they still sell themselves, and Samsung is the only handset maker that seems to be committed to the technology. I doubt this will change much.
Last I recall they looked a bit off. Nice, but a bit off. That said, my experience with OLED screens is a bit dated, so maybe the color reproduction has improved.
I was recently in the market for a phone, and considering an iPhone SE. But unfortunately I've got hooked on Lumia OLEDs, so I'm taking one last cheap hit from the rapidly cooling MS pipe while Apple gets that duck lined up ;-)
Also, I now have an excuse to not install the stupid apps friends and family and random guy at the bus stop recommend.
I should note that for some reason it seems like most smartphone manufacturers, basically everyone aside from Apple, way oversaturate their displays, this is especially true in the case of Samsung. Even the Nexus 6P display looked horrendous to me out of the box. Fortunately there is a setting in the developer options to enable sRGB mode which makes a huge difference.
Regarding power consumption, I think OLED mostly loses out on efficiency when generating white backgrounds, but I'm not sure how much of a battery hit this causes in normal use scenarios.
As to what's so great about OLED, for me, as someone who frequently uses their phone in relatively low light situations, I absolutely love the deep blacks and the fact that when I have the phone on low brightness using a dark theme it barely produces any ambient light. On that note, Google seriously needs to introduce a system wide dark theme. I don't have an iPhone but I'm really interested to see if/when Apple adopts OLED whether they redesign iOS to take advantage of it. I know many people dislike the bright white UI of iOS and Android.
Yup - completely agree. When I got my Tab S, I knew that the exynos 5420 was grossly inferior to the a8x in the Air 2, but I wanted my tablet for watching videos in bed at night.
I was right; the 5420 is execrable and makes web browsing very painful compared to the Air 2 (my kids have Air 2's). But the display is so much better than the Air 2's in every way you'd care to mention or measure. It's unbeatable for its intended purpose.
<sigh>
I'm sure with the large screen on a tablet this is even more of a benefit.
OLED displays have a very wide color gamut. If you have source material that was tuned to it, there's really nothing like it. To get a similar gamut with LCD you need a quantum dot backlight. Samsung devices all have a screen mode where they constrain their gamut to sRGB for more accurate colors, though.
In terms of color accuracy, they've consistently been the best around, when set to limit their gamut to sRGB. This (http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note7_ShootOut_1.htm) site has test results for most recentish smartphones and tablets and declared the Note 7's display to be "the best performing Smartphone Display that we have ever tested." Every Samsung device with an OLED display released in the last few years has achieved this.
And of course the contrast ratio is much better than LCD. In terms of display quality, provided the phone can be set to sRGB mode, OLED is as good or better than LCD in every metric. And this doesn't even touch on all of the novel uses a display that uses no power when displaying black can be put to - for example, Samsung devices can typically display the time or notifications in white-on-black on the display persistently when the screen is otherwise 'off'. With OLED, only the pixels that are active are drawing power.
The only problem with OLED has been blue pixel decay. I have an OLED display in both my tablet and my phone and I'm a heavy user, and I haven't noticed any change in the 2 years I've owned them though.
Really, it's just a better technology. It's shameful that everyone has allowed Samsung to maintain a lock on it. I really wish I didn't have to buy Samsung devices to get this fantastic technology.
So just the entire Internet?
Seriously though, from the above linked article,
While LCDs remain more power efficient for images with mostly full screen white content (like all text screens on a white background, for example), OLEDs are more power efficient for typical mixed image content because they are emissive displays so their power varies with the Average Picture Level (average Brightness) of the image content over the entire screen. For OLEDs, Black pixels and sub-pixels don’t use any power so screens with Black backgrounds are very power efficient for OLEDs. For LCDs the display power is fixed and independent of image content. Currently, OLED displays are more power efficient than LCDs for Average Pictures Levels of 65 percent or less, and LCDs are more power efficient for Average Picture Levels above 65 percent. Since both technologies are continuing to improve their power efficiencies, the crossover will continue to change with time.
At peak brightness with a pure white screen, the iPhone 7's screen draws 1.08 watts, whereas the Galaxy Note 7's draws 1.8 watts. So if you keep your phone at peak brightness, I guess that's one metric where LCD beats OLED.
For what it's worth I have a Nexus 6P which uses a Samsung display and I haven't noticed any burn in yet, although I'm probably a very moderate user so that's not really saying much.
They did take care of shifting the (beautiful, built-in) nightstand clock screen a bit around, I think.
(Adjustable color reproduction, you could go for "vivid" if you wanted, normal was fine.)
I have a Nexus S (Samsung), a Nexus 4 (LG), and a Nexus 5 (LG again). As you might guess, I bought those without really bothering to consider who the manufacturer was.
The 5, the most recent one, has failed catastrophically and eaten my data. The 4 is suffering from a swelling battery, and will be thrown away as soon as my OnePlus 3 arrives.
The S, two years older than the 4, is still going strong, although it doesn't seem quite up to the demands of modern android software.
To the extent that a "Samsung monopoly" exists, it's not at all clear to me that breaking it would improve anything.
Is there a Samsung monopoly over Android? Apparently Samsung sells about 25% of smartphones https://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-market-share.jsp and 85% of sold smartphones are Android... so certainly not a monopoly.
It also hurt to see that. The experience on a Samsung phone is not that great :-/
>>also hope it breaks the Samsung monopoly over Android and let brands like LG, HTC shine.
LG phones have bootloop issues. And HTC phones are overpriced.
I assume the fault is entirely in the battery (?), so did Samsung change how the batteries were manufactured this year? Does the Note 7 have power demands that mean they can't go back to tried and tested battery manufacture?
(Hoping there are EE's or manufacturing people here that might have some educated guesses)
It also means that this could've easily happened to another company's phones; remember the laptop fires a few years ago (Apple, Dell, IBM, Toshiba, etc. all issued recalls) that were determined to originate from defective Sony cells?
Samsung SDI also manufacture iPhone batteries.
It should take more than a little bit of unexpected strain to ignite a consumer electronics device.
In this case, the battery manufacturer couldn't meet these particular design constraints.
Most have just been differently packaged units containing the same type of cells.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-18/samsung-c...
tldr plus my speculation:
* Leaked iPhone 7 specs made Samsung shoot for the moon with Note 7 design
* Specs designed in boardroom called for Note 7 be lighter, shorter and narrower than iPhone 7+ but also have a larger screen, a significantly larger battery and a lot of internal room taken up by the stylus (and sure insert headphone jack punchline here).
* This is a hard problem, otherwise you'd think Apple would ship a 20% larger battery too.
* Design on all the massive revisions started late and launch was moved up so design timeframe was enormously compressed
* Engineers at Samsung don't have standing to tell execs something can't be done.
* And so mistakes were made somewhere between not having enough time to do it right and being asked to do the improbable.
And that's an understatement :)
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/size#/phones/size/Samsung-G...
The Note 5 was already pretty impressive compared to the iPhone, and they went from 3000 to 3500 mAh with the Note 7.
The Note series has always had a better display to size ratio and a larger battery. I don't see why this particular iteration should all the sudden have problems with that.
For reference:
Galaxy Note 5
153.2 x 76.1 x 7.6 mm (6.03 x 3.00 x 0.30 in)
Weight 171 g (6.03 oz)
Display 5.7 inches (~75.9% screen-to-body ratio)
Battery Non-removable Li-Po 3000 mAh battery
iphone 6s+
Dimensions 158.2 x 77.9 x 7.3 mm (6.23 x 3.07 x 0.29 in)
Weight 192 g (6.77 oz)
Display 5.5 inches (~67.7% screen-to-body ratio)
Battery Non-removable Li-Ion 2750 mAh battery (10.45 Wh)Well there's larger and there's a lot larger. This particular iteration increased the gap substantially.
3500 mAh (GN7) >> 3000 mAH (GN5) ~ 2950 mAH (i7+) > 2750 mAH (i6S+)
Below article offers speculation either way: that both the design itself and push for larger batteries was at fault and/or that it is simply a manufacturing error although they seem like two sides of the same coin -- at the end of the day you can't get around the fact that more batteries simply take up more internal space and the larger that 'more' is the harder the engineering problem is. Giving the engineers a hard design problem and then not giving them the corresponding necessary time to develop and test their designs is ultimately what's responsible for the defect.
http://phys.org/news/2016-09-galaxy-recall-stronger-batterie...
South Korean experts suggested Samsung may have been so ambitious with the Note 7's design that it compromised safety.
"There was no choice but to make the separator (between positive and negative anodes) thin because of the battery capacity," said Lee Sang-yong, a professor at Ulsan National Institute of Science and Technology who worked more than a decade at LG Chem, a leading lithium battery maker. Thicker separators can improve safety but will not necessarily prevent all overheating issues, he said.
Doh Chil-Hoon, head of the state-run Korea Electrotechnology Research Institute's battery research division, said that based on the limited information provided by Samsung, he believes the push to increase battery power was part of the problem.
"Even with a small manufacturing mistake, if there had been enough elements to ensure safety, it would not explode," Doh said. "It is a roundabout way of admitting weak safety."
...
[Wayne Lam, an industry analyst at IHS Markit Technology] said he thinks the Note 7 battery problem resulted from weak controls in manufacturing, not a poor or unsafe design.
A spokeswoman at iFixit, which publishes repair guides for electronic gadgets, offered a similar view. "We don't think any internal design changes in the Note 7 are responsible for the exploding batteries—more likely just a manufacturing defect," IFixit's Kay-Kay Clapp said in an email.
Apple has tweaked hardware and software it developed itself to make iPhones use power more efficiently, while Samsung has increased the capacity of the batteries in its phones.
That can be done without increasing size by adjusting components or changing the production process, Lam said.
"You have two different trajectories, with Samsung packing in more energy density, versus Apple trying to trim it down by optimizing everything else," he said, adding that the two rivals are "constantly locked in this arms race of improving and one-upping."
Note though that those comments come before the replacements started exploding, something that implicates a deeper design flaw than just the battery production.
Could this be why Apple pushes so hard on the SoC front? It's technically easier to increase performance and reduce power consumption of your SoC than it is to improve the battery capacity safely?
Could be, it definitely looks smaller in two dimensions. But it also looks thicker -- the i7 teardown doesn't show the thickness as clearly but it doesn't appear to have anything like the 'pouch' you can see on the GN 7 battery.
GN 7 battery:
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Samsung+Galaxy+Note7+Teardow...
iPhone 7+ battery:
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+7+Plus+Teardown/67384...
I feel this whole mess would have been avoided had this fact not been true.
The weak point of this theory is that the risk/cost of going public about this kind of threat would not be terribly high, unlike e.g. in plain old hostage taking.
The weak point of this theory is that the risk/cost of going public about this kind of threat would not be terribly high, unlike e.g. in plain old hostage taking.
So what happens to all of these Note 7's? Do they just get buried in a ditch somewhere? From reading Android Central and other sites, it seems like there are still a lot of Samsung faithful who are ready to risk having their heads blown off to own one.
Looks like the fault is in the batteries, internal shorts are both uncommon and also extremely dangerous since they will essentially dissipate all the energy in the cell as heat and can't be stopped externally.
This is partially why I'm wary of devices with batteries which aren't easily removable... and to think a few years ago Samsung was making ads poking fun at Apple users for not having removable batteries.
This argument is made all the time, but I don't understand it. If the batteries were removable, a large number of owners would eventually replace them with low-quality Chinese lithium batteries whose brand names contain the word "Fire" somewhere.
The result will be, big surprise, more fires. The difference is that there won't be one central manufacturer who can be forced to take responsibility for them. Publicity, if any, will be too obscure for most users to notice.
There is no way on Earth you will end up with fewer battery fires if the batteries are replaceable. We just won't hear about them.
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I suspect it's also a lot cheaper to recall/replace a handful of batteries than to recall/replace every single phone.
Why? It seems like the batteries burn out fast enough that it wouldn't be possible to safely remove one once it starts smoking. In any case doing so might save the phone - unlikely but it might - however now you have a completely naked ignited incendiary device lying on your carpet, rather than one enclosed in a protective case. That sounds to me like a worse situation to be in. And anyway now you've saved your phone at great personal risk, what are you going to do with it? Put another Note 7 battery in it and keep on using it? I'm curious what your reasoning is here.
Are there any good stylii for writing text (i.e. dragging across the screen) for generic capacitance screens? All stylii that I've seen are good for selecting things (i.e. pushing against the screen) but terrible for writing.
It's completely anecdotal but three similar model phones breaking in exactly the same manner at exactly the same period in their lives was enough to put me off Samsung for good.
It's been some years since and I've seen Samsung in one scandal after another. Like the time they had an entire range of flatscreen tvs break because they put the transistors too close to the cooling plates, fixing it by moving the transistors but replacing the $0.5 piece with a Samsung produced transistor which they've never sold, making repairs nearly impossible.
I blame Android's continued bloat creep[0] for that slowdown though. My brother had S3 before, and so does my SO, and they were all becoming less and less usable with time and each system update...
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[0] - Is there an official term for the phenomenon that software bloats expands to cancel out any improvements in hardware?
But to be fair I don't do system updates so I don't experience the gradual slowdown that comes with increasing software bloat.
I am guessing that the culprit here is Samsung's shift to directly compete with iPhone 7. All other Note releases were standalone and received very little announcements.
For the record, Touchwiz is a bit too much, so I changed my launcher and made a few changes to the UI to align more with stock android. But other than that, I couldn't be happier with the ticking time bomb of a phone.
However, to be honest, wireless charging was always 1. flakey (placement had to be just right - often I'd check in the morning and it hadn't charged) and 2. super slow.
I'd much rather trade it off for super-fast charging (Pixel is meant to do 7 hours of battery life in 15 minutes), and the reversible (and standardised!) USB-C cable.
I've always preferred smaller phones, so the 5" and 5.5" screens are fine for me (although I'm obviously going for the standard Pixel at 5") - and stylus to me doesn't make sense on a smaller phone screen anyhow - I have a tablet for that.
Agree with you that Touchwiz is too much - I've always hated it and found it gimmicky and tacky - and it tends to bog down the phone over time, like a bad Windows install.
NLP and AI is tough, no wonder.
1. Original Note 7 phones were blowing up, Samsung issued a recall.
2. Samsung released (suspiciously quickly) a new phone that used new batteries made by Amperex, which also provides batteries for the iPhone line. [A]
3. A report comes in of a post-recall, "safe" phone blowing up while not being connected to a charger and being turned off to be put in the owner's pocket. [B]
4. Another report of a "safe" phone blowing up while in the back pocket of its owner. [C]
5. Two more reports come in, both of a Note 7 blowing up overnight while their owners were asleep. [D,E]
Second, here's what I don't understand:
* We know the batteries are likely safe since they come from a reputed manufacturer also providing iPhones their batteries. Heck, even the initial battery manufacturer was Samsung itself, and Li-Ion batteries aren't exactly a new and unstudied technology.
* Even after the new batteries were put in use, the phones are still exploding even when not connected to a charger, as explicitly stated by reports [D] and [C], and as is likely the case for [B] and [E].
How are these phones blowing up when, in all likelihood, the batteries are safe and have been replaced, and the phone isn't even under heavy use at the time of the explosion? Maybe you could blame CPU heating or a faulty charging mechanism, but the phones were not charging or under heavy load. All they were doing was discharging at an idle rate. This is literally the state least likely to cause this kind of explosion.
Can anyone explain what I'm missing?
Sources:
[A] https://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-galaxy-note-7-explosion-ba...
[B] http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/5/13175000/samsung-galaxy-no...
[C] http://focustaiwan.tw/news/asoc/201610080009.aspx
[D] http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/9/13215728/samsung-galaxy-no...
[E] http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/9/13218730/samsung-galaxy-no...
I really, really dislike flying. Not because of the flying itself, but because of being treated like a potential terrorist all the time.
One fact that is overlooked is that there is actually a limit on the lithium-equivalent permitted per passenger just like there is a liquid-volume limit.
Last time I checked, the total maximum carry-on lithium-equivalent was 25 grammes which was about four smartphone batteries or two-dozen AA cells. Now as to whether that's an acceptable risk is for someone else more knowlegeable to evaluate.
Samsung are a straight out dodgy company - they're the Microsoft of hardware but with better advertising, unfortunately targeted towards people of slightly lower social status often.
But if true then Samsung really needs changes to its management and product line. It makes too many phones - right now there they have A, C, J, E lines besides the Galaxy line, confusing and aggravating customers and likely employees as well.
It can also mean that manufacturers are hitting a safety wall with lithium batteries, which is bad news for future phone battery capacities.
At least 2 of these have happened while people have been sleeping (One guy in KY had to be hospitalized to to inhalation of the smoke) and even if it happened during the day most people have 1 camera/video camera with them and it's their phone. Most people don't carry around a second camera to be used only to film their supposedly safe replacement bursting into flames. It sounds like the only way you'd believe this to be true is if you saw video of a phone from production, to signing off by the president of Samsung that it was safe, to shipping, to full use of the phone until such a time that it burst into flames. People with phones that have caught fire have provided proof that the serial numbers of their phones were supposed to be replacements and thus safe.
>>At least 2 of these have happened while people have been sleeping (One guy in KY had to be hospitalized to to inhalation of the smoke) and even if it happened during the day most people have 1 camera/video camera with them and it's their phone.
And how do you know these people weren't violating manufacturer safety guidelines? Or that the reports are true and not rumors? Or that it is not an isolated accident?
>>Most people don't carry around a second camera to be used only to film their supposedly safe replacement bursting into flames.
These days if something extraordinary happens - such as a phone blowing up in the middle of the day - it is usually filmed. When it is not, then that raises questions.
>> It sounds like the only way you'd believe this to be true is if you saw video of a phone from production, to signing off by the president of Samsung that it was safe, to shipping, to full use of the phone until such a time that it burst into flames.
Chinese suppliers on Aliexpress today require unpacking videos before claiming defective merchandise. So it isn't much to ask for some evidence before a witch-hunt.
Are you sure there's no selection bias going on here? In today's media/internet climate, I think your vastly more likely to hear about extraordinary events that have been filmed than those that haven't.
Faulty consumer electronics remaining faulty after refurbishment is anything but extraordinary.