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And what bold advances has Russia made?

They neutralised Georgia after Georgia attacked and killed several of their soldiers.

They seized (bloodlessly I might add) Crimea after the new western-imposed government threatened to end the perpetual lease of the Sevastopol naval base. I might also add that 'Maidan' was the 2nd western-sponsored 'revolution' in Ukraine in a decade.

Now Russia is defending a long-time ally in the middle east from western-backed terrorists.

Then there's also NATO advancing all around Russia, the various 'defensive' missile systems being installed by US-allied countries who happen to encircle Russia, etc...

> Could you count how many times in history yielding to bold advances of power hungry ruler served as effective deterrent to war?

The only one making bold advances is the US, and yes, Russia isn't yielding, and the US is making it a problem. But you're right, it is a deterrent to war - if a weak ruler like Yeltsin were still in power Russia would probably be in another dozen pieces right now, with wars raging in half of them...

Western imposed government that's precious you get a cookie from Kiselev. If NATO wanted to destroy Russia it would have done so in the 90s.

Would it? MAD was still a thing back then. Hence the brouhaha over the missile shield...

Back then a major TV program crue unobstructed marched to the ICBM launch site and had a party there. The country was bankrupt if not for the western help it would have collapsed.

I heard (possibly tall) tales of Russian sniper rifles pointed at the president of Georgia at one point many years ago now.

>And what bold advances has Russia made? > They neutralised Georgia after Georgia attacked and killed several of their soldiers. > They seized Crimea after the new western-imposed government threatened to end the perpetual lease of the Sevastopol naval base

wow, what universe do you live in where conquering a whole nation is justified by a few lifes lost or stopping a commercial agreement? disgusting

> wow, what universe do you live in where conquering a whole nation is justified by a few lifes lost or stopping a commercial agreement? disgusting

And which whole nation was conquered?

You are spinning this.

A twice elected democratic government of Ukraine was overthrown in a violent coup, orchestrated from abroad, that used neonazis to do the dirty work.

When this happened, the people of [what was then called] the "Autonomous Republic of Crimea" voted in favor of leaving what was left of Ukraine and rejoining the Russian Federation - which they were originally part of for longer than the US has existed.

Ukraine as a country has only existed for 20 some years. Before that is was a loose territory of different regions. The East was mostly ethnic Russians, the West was mostly other groups. And Crimea was always Russian.

The majority of the force used in Crimea composed of Russian solders that stood outside the gates of Ukrainian military bases, blocking them from leaving, to carry out orders to stop the referendum... Which turned out to be over 95% in favor of rejoining Russia.

Ignoring all the bs in your post would you recognize the right of any of the Russian regions to vote for their independence? (as far as how things unrolled you just have to watch interviews with Igor Strelkov who hardly can be accused of pro western bias).

Facts are bs?

> would you recognize the right of any of the Russian regions to vote for their independence?

Has the Russia government been overthrown? When it is, lets talk then, because the answer will depend on the circumstances of the event.

BS is BS. Orange revolution rigged election and re-election during this time the president and parliament remained the same so no clue what you are talking about. 2012 rigged parliamentary election but people let it slide. The removal of Yanukovich from power constitutional majority of parliament (same members as under Yanukovich) voted to remove him. Your russian TV narrative is great but disconnected from reality.

USSR/Russian overthrows/subversions so many it's not even funny. From which year do you want to count? 1917 1920 1964 1991 1993 1996 2012

> A twice elected democratic government of Ukraine was overthrown in a violent coup, orchestrated from abroad, that used neonazis to do the dirty work.

Perfect example of russian propaganda.

> leaving what was left of Ukraine and rejoining the Russian Federation - which they were originally part of for longer than the US has existed.

Crimea was part of Russian Federation _for longer than the US has existed_???

Dude, stop smoking whatever you're on.

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