> Flexbox is awesome. No need for grid framework;
Yes, great, if you can ignore all the IE users. Is that what "modern" means?
I'd love to use flexbox where I work, but it's just not feasible to give up all the customers we would lose.
Yes, great, if you can ignore all the IE users. Is that what "modern" means?
I'd love to use flexbox where I work, but it's just not feasible to give up all the customers we would lose.
Unless you're aiming for a 1:1 pixel-perfect experience in crappy old versions of IE, it's negligibly simple to detect IE (or lack of flexbox support), and just use something else. You can usually get pretty close to a lot of flexbox layouts with display: table and related properties, and also falling back to floats for others.
In a worst case scenario, you can provide old IE with a more mobile-like experience and just let things stack up.
(AKA sit down and shut up with your bullshit "sit down and shut up"s)
Give it a year. Without MS support, they will be forced to give up these older versions. Of course by then, IE 11 will seem quite "vintage", but that's life.
IT can be brow beat just as hard as developers. They will change whatever domain policies you make them change. Quit being a pushover.
It's a breath of fresh air when an enterprise student has a modern environment. But it's enough of an outlier (in my experience teaching all these different places) to still surprise me to hear when it's true.
We started out in late spring / early summer back in 2015 saying we needed to support IE9, but that has since changed to 11. The notice from MS that nothing before 11 would be supported after January of this year (2016) forced the issue, I think.
Back when I worked at a financial company two years ago we sure had mandatory crusty old versions of IE, though. Except for the groups that got special permission to use a browser that actually worked for things they had to have.
Virii, Trojans and Hacks, oh my!
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/End-of-IE...
I don't even want to admit how many managers come back to them with "we mitigate that risk with user education, we have too many legacy (blah blah blah)." There's always some excuse, isn't there? Usually within departments, but once executive-level hears this sort of thing, they tend to at least investigate what the real risks are. So I'm adding on to your advice to other readers to suggest they "go higher" with their security warning.
Man, I wish we lived in a world where management understood that people are shockingly good at finding ways of not doing what they're told!
Now you have to go through this endless dance of Enable/Disable compatibility mode depending on what site you are trying to visit. We have a lot of non technical users so as soon as you ask them to delve into menu options to use some added functionality on a site you lose them.
Even technical users hate this so most people sideload chrome. However a large number of workstation are locked down and those people have no option but to continue with IE.
Check this out for an alternative to flexbox if you can't ignore that last n% of your users: https://kyusuf.com/post/almost-complete-guide-to-flexbox-wit...
That means even windows installations that haven't been updated since 2012 will support flexbox.
https://github.com/philipwalton/flexbugs
I haven't come across anything in IE 10 or 11 that I haven't been able to work around pretty easily.
Nevertheless I use flexbox almost everywhere. It's a great system to arrange anything from general layout to smaller components. There's absolutely no way that I'll deal with any kind of hacks to get basic things like vertical centering right.
Luckily (for my sanity) we have a "new age" product that we can use responsive layouts for.
https://www.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/chrome-frame-get...
Discontinued though.
But this should always be checked against more relevant stats (your country, old website you're redesigning, etc.), so yeah, if you know you have a lot of people on IE9 and lower, flexbox is out of the question.
It is not as feature-rich as flexbox is but it works great - I built a similar one when I used to work at Yelp https://www.yelp.com/styleguide#section-arrange and it scales well.
Sometimes though I will use the fallback because it actually does it better than flexbox.