Microsoft to shut London Skype office putting 220 jobs at risk
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When you are using the tool for business, that is a deal breaker.
What makes people trust the advertised E2E encryption is really happening when they most need? Faith in these companies?
It's pretty depressing, actually. A determined adversary with intelligence-service level resources can get a lot done. Your main hope is to be such an insignificant target that they don't want to waste resources, e.g. expose 0-day vulnerabilities etc to get just you.
It provides end to end encryption with customer owned keys.
High level data on the security model: https://www.ciscospark.com/content/dam/ciscospark/eopi/count...
Draft of the KMS technology behind it: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-abiggs-saag-key-management...
There are many open source for teleconference these days, e.g. https://jitsi.org/ - I recall a few appearing on HN as well.
If you are a high-profile target, no matter what vendor or software you use, Five Eyes will do whatever is needed to infiltrate your network. Cisco is a large target just due to their volumes compared to most other solutions (you are more likely to see news of Cisco attacked due to volume of sales). But with that, Cisco will also dedicate resources to trying to defeat this type of attack.
[0] http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/photos-of-an-nsa-...
If you read the "Exploitation and Public Announcements" section of the Cisco publication, it meantions the source was another CVE from a month ago[1].
I mean, whatsapp claims it has E2E encryption, but I've never checked...
I'm not sure what parts you can verify, but I'm willing to trust the word of those at Whisper. Perhaps I'm naive but they seem to genuinely care about improving privacy for others.
StarLeaf (https://www.starleaf.com/) is a great alternative for businesses.
Skype through Office 365 is also Skype for Business/Lync.
First time I saw it I couldn't help to notice the similarities. Even the emoticons were the same!
There was an integration you could get (purchase, I think?) which allowed Lync to connect to the MSN network and chat to users of MSN.
Still the best thing available if it works for your case.
Also appear.in works on Linux.
You just don't know whose tapped the line, whose listening, and what systems your text is being indexed into. So reliable E2E is key.
[1] https://theintercept.com/2014/12/13/belgacom-hack-gchq-insid...
Unless you're using physical couriers and airgapped networks with TEMPEST protection. I say this unironically; these are facts people tend to brush away.
The cloud is at the end someone else's computer. No, I'm sure Microsoft CEO isn't interested in sabotaging my business just like I'm sure the POTUS doesn't actively decide to kill innocent civilians. However, they make compromises (something we all do in engineering) and some of those compromises could end up with us as collateral damage.
What I'm getting at is even if all government agencies have purest of pure hearts, someone somewhere will eventually leave a door unlocked. Nobody can tell me with 100% certainty that this won't happen in the US and I trust their competence more than some outside contractor working for the Qatari emir.
This is my point of view on why we shouldn't have a dragnet. I don't have to argue that my government is evil. I don't even have to say my government is incompetent. But who in my government will testify for the other 200+ governments and their agents?
A while ago I saw multiple charges on my MSN account which is linked to my skype account. It was for Skype credits through some odd russian account that was messaging me on skype and some how getting my account to purchase credits. I quickly changed my password and removed my CC from my account.
When I tried to get the issue resolved no one from Microsoft's support was able to help me because I couldn't verify the date I opened up my skype account (it was a long time ago I couldn't remember)
I managed to get my money back only when I went to Visa and told them these charges were fraudulent. Microsoft returned my money the next day and I haven't used skype since then.
Headwinds indeed.
Now, the voice quality is still pretty good compared to a landline call, but the calls tend to drop, video quality has gone to crap, and the call/text notifications are broken. (I just got a notification on my phone about a text from yesterday, and it never showed up on my computer. WTF!??)
https://blogs.skype.com/2013/10/04/skype-architecture-update...
http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/05/skype-replaces-p2p-s...
Then when it does find something the common use case is never going to be scrolling back through 3 years of chat to get back to current messages, should just show say 100 lines of context and load more on demand.
I have no idea what they actually do on this product text chat wise, but it has always been average and isn't getting any better.
OS X Skype seems to work the best. Android version seems to be using a random number generator for displaying contact list availability status.
I used to use skype for texting people, but it's now completely useless for that. They can't receive any SMS messages from any phones (at least in the US), and who knows if what you send actually goes somewhere. Nevermind they advertise this feature when you're signing up. Its shocking they would allow a feature like that to still exist and just be fundamentally broken. They did recently move it to some obscure place in the UI in a recent "update" and not even one of their support people knew where it had gone; I had to find it again myself.
That said, all the recent UI updates have been horrible. Not just talking buggy, but the general look and feel has gone way down hill. I had an old laptop with an older version of the Skype client and its amazing the different. They should have left well enough alone.
Add in the super annoying birthday notifications as chat messages, the spam that has gotten out of control, broken payments recharge/web UI, it's a wonder Microsoft should just shutter the entire product down. It's ruined and I have stopped using it. It's clear they do not care about their end users, or improving the product in any sustainable way.
I wonder how long before the same happens with LinkedIn (which is already on the deathbed in terms of how bad and buggy it's been getting lately).
http://www.businessinsider.com/skype-scandal-silver-lake-201...
There is a lot of competition in this space and I sort of feel that Skype was a Windows Phone play that didn't pan out for MS after the Windows Phone failed (along side the Nokia deal). Unfortunately for the London office, the product heads are not really sure how to right this ship. Hopefully everyone lands gracefully, whatever happens with the product.
Basically, insert classic XKCD org chart diagram here of Microsoft being in a Mexican standoff with itself, especially at that time.
From that perspective, (and also one of being a Windows Phone 8 and now 10 owner), I don't think Skype was bought for Windows Phone and I don't think Skype is part of why Windows Phone is currently seeming rather atrophied. Instead, I think its Windows Phone where we've seen some of the hardest fought "battles" in the "One Microsoft" movement to de-escalate the old "mexican standoff" at Microsoft. (Which makes sense in a strange way: Microsoft couldn't afford as many "casualties" on the desktop or in the enterprise, so phone/mobile has been the proxy war.)
I think wanting a VoIP competitor to Apple's Facetime efforts was a part of the overall agenda for at least one of the messaging teams. But in terms of a lot of the shifts in branding choices and app approaches, I think a lot more of what we have seen in Windows Phone has been Microsoft's most externally visible battlefield where it has been trying to figure how best to merge all of its messaging and communications teams and destroy the old fiefdoms and silos (and guns pointed at each others heads). (All while marketing tries to fight from accidentally burning down a brand along with some of the bridges...) Windows Phone was just a useful catalyst (battlefield) to force that confrontation, without impacting the desktop too much.
That's essentially what this announcement seems to be about to me: the crashing down of another silo as Microsoft truly starts to consolidate its many communications apps.
If you want to really have fun, write software that uses their terrible SDKs to plug into and extend Lync/Skype for Business.
Still, since it's bundled with Office and Office365 Exchange, lots of people are using it and dropping SameTime or XMPP or other options in large corporations.
I was going to say try to prefix with "!! ", but it doesn't seem to work anymore! It used to disable formatting and change to monospace font.
!! SQL statements, source code fragments, etc.
Of course, the people you're chatting with have to do it as well otherwise they'll still see them, but if you're sending SQL statements, log messages, and such, it makes sense to disable them.
The list of gripes is too long...but let's just say With the lost of productivity I hope they are paying my company to use it.
This is an official sign that it would be strictly in maintenance mode.
And Skype for Web is utter crap (no non-latin search in contacts, WTF?), though it displays all messages.
huh :) i use skype on linux (archlinux) daily. and having seen my colleagues use it on windows, honestly, i find overall experience on linux infinitely better.
on windows there are tons of flashy things going on which serve to distract more than anything useful. if you happen to use non-corporate version, a huge chunk of chat area is filled with ads ^^)
They've done nothing but make it worse since they bought it.
If anything, this year is the biggest change Skype has EVER HAD.
http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/05/skype-replaces-p2p-s...
Now, all of your actual communications are being stored in Microsoft's cloud infrastructure. This means the actual content is centralized, and can be delivered when the other client is not present, which will help a lot with mobile. It also means it's more able to be reached by government data requests, of course.
The dumb UI I sorta excused as being, well, made by a small team not a big US retail company. The fact MSFT didn't overhaul it all is really annoying.
I believe this works around some relevant labour laws.
- Unemployment benefits, paid by the state if they don't get another job straight away;
- Their usual salary during the notice period, or pay in lieu of notice if they are sent home immediately (common in IT for security reasons);
- Redundancy pay.
The last one only needs to be paid in the case of dismissal "without cause". However, it's not called that. Redundancy refers to the fact that the job doesn't exist anymore. E.g., because the office closed down as is happening at Skype London. You can't just sack someone on a whim and say it is "without cause".
Where things get a bit more complicated in a case like Skype/Microsoft is that they have an obligation to offer their existing employees new jobs elsewhere in the company if possible. This isn't an especially strong obligation, but it does make things awkward if they keep, say, 50% of the staff, because there needs to be some reasoning as to why they kept that particular 50%, which needs to be seen as fair.
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/09/micros...
I get that it's sad when your job no longer exists, but you can't really expect a business to pay for people it doesn't need anymore. I see a lot of outrage as people seem to think it's unethical to have your job lose it's right to existence, but it's just a fact of life if you're working for a larger business: you might be needed at some point, and at some other point, that might no longer be the case.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12538640
This thread is about Skype.
It's really shameful to not have something reliable after we've had SMS for 2 decades with <1% failure rate and iMessage/Hangouts is generally okay. It really irks me in the worst way, being someone who has enough problems keeping in touch with people.
What they don't solve is the discovery/network aspect.
My own side project/startup wannabee uses WebRTC to enable random non-technical people to talk to companies that use our product :) ( https://keveo.tv/en/ ).
Strictly better than Skype in some ways, but privacy can't be taken to be one of them.
I'm not going to look for my headset, figure out how to use the right inputs and output, or sign up for a Google account because someone wants to call me. I have function telephone with a good wireless headset that just works.
It's not that big of a deal, they are just trying to consolidate all of the good engineers into a cheaper office and letting go of the dead weight.
Skype pays employees with title Software Development Engineer II:
US$46k in Prague [0], and
US$82k in London [1].
And I suspect life is a lot more comfortable in Prague on $46k than London on $82k[0] https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Skype-Prague-Salaries-EI_IE... [1] https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Skype-London-Salaries-EI_IE...
Prague is a modern city, and the Check Republic is in the EU and even in the schengen area, so travel around Europe is a non issue.
Yes, you won't be buying Teslas on that salary but most things not over $3k won't break the bank.
(82-46) * 220 = 7920
$7.92 million of savings. Somebody could see the bottomline improving and stock price rocketing higher.What does that mean?
I think the proper term in this case is "laid off", since the company is eliminating those positions by closing that particular office.
But it also sounds like Microsoft is also finally slowly starting to merge in the efforts from the business side (Yammer, Skype for Business aka Lync) and unify those communication efforts a bit more than just how Skype and Skype for Business share a brand but not much else. (All of this in an effort to present a more unified front versus Slack, HipChat, and others currently eating into the enterprise space and Whatsapp, Facebook Messenger, and others into the consumer space.)
From that perspective it's easy to imagine there have been quite a positions that have been redundant between the various teams.
I thought it was registered in Luxembourg and had a marketing office in London. Development was in Estonia...
You can safely remove peer-to-peer from your requirements for an alternative.
If you are looking for an desktop app accessible to mainstream users, you can try viber.
EDIT: Not forgetting Signal, of course. But I think you mean video comms?
It's hard to see Matrix as a standard right now too, with only one server and one client even remotely complete. Would love to see a multiplatform native client!
Thanks for the work you do, I realllllly hope matrix attains some success.
I'm wondering if there is a better system though, the main issue is my parents are used to using Skype, it would be an uphill struggle to get them to feel comfortable with something new.
I doubt you'd be able to plug a dial-up modem into skype and achieve a working computer connection. Pure tones (as from key presses) is a less extreme case, but it's a conceivable problem.
There are also issues with the echo cancellation Skype uses. If you have issues with DTMF, that's the likely cause, not the audio codec.