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Each of those 20 people have lives and families. Not producing by whose measurement? Who defines that ,they were obviously hired for a particular job and have been doing it for a while and pretty well if they weren't fired before.

I wonder how much help Twitter is giving them in looking for their next jobs.

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>Each of those 20 people have lives and families. Not producing by whose measurement? Who defines that ,they were obviously hired for a particular job and have been doing it for a while and pretty well if they weren't fired before.

Don't necessarily disagree on the human impact, but this is a strange reasoning.

>Not producing by whose measurement?

Obviously by the one who hired them?

>Who defines that, they were obviously hired for a particular job and have been doing it for a while and pretty well if they weren't fired before.

Nobody is fired until they are fired. So by the same logic, everybody who wasn't fired immediately did their job "pretty well". Alternatives not considered:

(a) they did their a bad or mediocre job for a longish time, but company only ever cared to fire when money got tight, cuts needed to be made, performance review was completed and they came up empty.

(b) they did their job bad for a short time, and they're fired as soon as it was discovered.

Of course firing is can be also because they were hired for a specific project that they completed and now they no longer needed, or because the project went south or went out of favour with Twitter management and Twitter wants to kill it, etc.

Or they do their job perfectly well, but it doesn't bring Twitter the money it expected, so they are canned.

>I wonder how much help Twitter is giving them in looking for their next jobs

None? Like most employees? Besides maybe a good recommendation letter?

There is difference between reorg and firing, even though the result is loss of job for the individual. The person is not evaluated at individual basis rather at team or org level.

Anyway, just for those using this as india = underperf team train of thought, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Amazon and every respectable company under the Sun has a India team, are they on par with mothership, I do not know, but if they are not, some one doing it wrong.

And you're okay with an employer not offering any help beyond a recommendation letter and you're okay with not knowing whether or not Twitter is a supportive employer? I'm not, that's why I brought up. Perhaps the beginning of my comment isn't so great but it is damned important that we know what kind of support employees and former employees will get when they're fired and something that needs to change in industry.

>And you're okay with an employer not offering any help beyond a recommendation letter and you're okay with not knowing whether or not Twitter is a supportive employer?

I'm all for employee rights, but how exactly is Twitter different than the average (or all?) employees in this, or in any other industry, in this case?

Do other employers actively help fired employees to find a new job?

Twitter is a supportive employer. Employer being the key word there.

If you're no longer employed by them there should be no expectation of support. Especially to spend resources to find you another job.

Nothing needs to change in the industry. Thats how the world works. You get fired, you find another job.

What sort of help would you want or expect? A severance package or help by having the employer pay a recruiter to pimp the former employee? Or something else? In any case I'm totally fine with the idea of no help being offered provided such an exit clause is not part of the contract of employment the employee signed. If you want some specific sort of help from your old company in the event they fire you for cause, require that to be in the contract before you accept employment.

If you're selling labor that I don't currently need, what kind of obligation did I take on and for how long? Am I supposed to apologize to Subaru for not buying another car this year?

Not producing by twitter's measurement. If it was their fault, or their manager's or maybe it was simply a bad decision to open that office there, is completely irrelevant. What if they didn't have families, would their discomfort mean less to you?

Not necessarily. I'm a programmer and I have neither a life nor a family.

Maybe they were given ample prior notice, then Twitter reported only the actual closure, not the plan.

Your comment is unfair given the fact that we know nothing about the situation other then what is immediately provided.

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