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> ultra complex bloated frameworks built on a terrible language

Even if you consider JS a bad language, proper abstractions can change the face of it entirely. By your logic, assembly is also bad since it is absurd to write anything useful in it. IMO Elm is a step in the right direction.

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I've been doing a lot of FE for many years now and have worked with all major frameworks and I love JS and its flexibility. That being said I think we've been building one framework after another trying to abstract the things that make JS a language not suitable for state dependent apps. Elm feels like the right step compared to anything else out there.

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