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I don't think you can lump Russia and China together. China is truly "on lower moral/ethical grounds". I can't trust any country that has such pervasive censorship policy and such blatantly protectionist policies as China. Frankly I trust the Russian government as much as I trust the US government or as much as I trust my government (the Mexican government). I don't think I would feel safe living in China! I wouldn't even travel to China but that's just me.

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What about a country which has one forth of the China population which has institutional rules about the police being able to seize the money you carry, your money on cards you carry and your car without even charging you with an offense, where 6% of the black population is in jail, and 1% of the total population, and where you can be routinely shot dead if you are mentally disabled or if you play poker at home or accused of treason of you publish information about some of the most impacting activities of the govt? I've already been in Russia, but I'll never go to USA.

Looks like there are few errors in your description of Russia.

Forgot to mention the mandatory dashcams to fight fraudulent insurance claims.

Routinely shot dead if you are mentally disabled or playing poker ?

You completely invalidate any point you had when you resort to ridiculous hyperbole.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1168142/GRAPHIC-...

http://abc7.com/news/video-shows-unarmed-mentally-ill-man-sh...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-WjXLZbJnU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOwRMq_Fg5w

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2515428/Police-shoot...

> seen by their willingness to bet and lose large amounts of money to take down sports bookies

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/01/27/fair...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01...

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/18352-poker-players-tak...

https://www.pokertube.com/poker-news/poker-gossip-opinion/sw...

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%E2%80%9Cwhy_did_you_shoot_m...

I can't find the highly graphic one about the one who got shot, like, 18 times, while was unarmed in front of a shop. Anyway poker shooting is a reality: It's illegal gambling, therefore it's considered high-level criminality.

Not to judge who's right or wrong, who's "supposed to know" and who's at risk - I'm only saying the risk of being shot dead by the USA police is immensely higher than in any other country in the world, including Russia and China.

I've been in China three times in the past year. I agree that it is creepy not to be able to access Gmail, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube. But in terms of personal safety and freedom to walk around and see things, I felt very free. I feel more nervous walking around most North American cities' downtown area (LA, NYC, SF, Chicago). And also Mexico city.

Nervousness with regard to both police and local citizenry.

Russia is on a much lower ground ethically. China hasn't recently annexed territories from its neighbours whom they promised to protect and support just a few years ago.

Or helped shoot down a passenger jet...

Vladimir Putin is not our friend.

In this aspect there is really no differences between these 3 countries, China hasn't started a war like US, but using it's power to push boundaries in both west and east.

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