https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=60574
"3:45 ~ I start to feel this intense warmth come over my entire body, it feels like a combination of my first MDMA high with a nice OxyContin like twist, along with the social aspect of Cocaine. "
https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=44963
"12:34-2:20- Between these hours I experienced the most fantastic high I have experienced. It is similar to an orgasm crossed with a MJ high. Shivers of warmth ran down my whole body and my fingers and other extremities went totally numb. I found myself playing a game in which I sat still in silence just experiencing these feelings. Any movement brought pleasant, warm tingling sensations all over my body although especially noticeable around the head and neck area. Any touch from another human was sensational and I found myself making excuses to be near people to feel their warmth and experience what I can only presume was their aura. There was a neutral sensation of pressure in my ears as well although that only added to my feelings of intoxication "
https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=46082
"After living through this hell of a detox, I was afraid to even start again, but here was this pound of kratom, beckoning. So of course I brewed some up, and drank it. Ah, bliss! And now it only took me 12 grams to get the same effect that 18 used to give me!"
The people acting like a capsule is similar to a narcotic have likely never tried it. The high is subtle.
none of those substances are ingested as foods. what, then, is a thing that a person ingests but not for nutrition? that's a drug. medicinal and recreational purposes are both different use cases for drugs. why is this subject to debate? this is just the basics of what it means to be a human animal. you take things into your body. if its not for food its for something else, clearly. what do you propose we call non-food items that we ingest?
I honestly don't care much about the politics of the now-suddenly-agrieved kratom user community. personally I'd vote in favor of full legalization but its not up to voters, the DEA is a very tyrannical agency and there isn't much accountability. Sorry dude, sucks, but that's how it is. We live in a prohibition state.
I think the strategy of saying "kratom isn't a drug" is not going to be even remotely effective at persuading the DEA to change their mind though. Its just absurd, honestly. Reconsider your tactics.