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> I think we need more libraries/widgets in order for us to design native looking Android/iOS apps.

So still the same "do your own QML mimic of native widgets"?

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They are working on providing a set with Qt Quick Controls 2 - the Android part looks more ready than iOS.

https://blog.qt.io/blog/2016/06/10/qt-quick-controls-2-0-a-n...

I know that, but when I used 5.4 the experience was quite bad and I was quicker to just write the frontend in Java and glue it myself to standard C++11 than make use of Qt.

So from 5.4. up to 5.8 little seems to have changed from that comment.

Nowadays I just use Native OS UI language + C++ or Xamarin, both are easier for me to write portable native apps with direct support for native widgets than using QML.

I think it's improved from 5.4 but yeah if you want native widgets then QML isn't the solution

Is it just me, or is there some overlap and possibly short-lived components one shouldn't invest time in (ala Silverlight and XAML)? I don't know why there's QML and QtQuick.

QML is perhaps the best current option for cross-platform desktop application creation and for embedded devices with custom UI. For mobile apps it's debatable if QML makes as much sense.

Can you tell me why do you feel QML is superior to Qt Widgets for desktop applications?

I tried QtQuick 1 and was underwhelmed (so much glue code to link C++ and QML; the awkwardness of JS without the huge amount of libraries that save your day in web development). In the last couple of years I have seen a lot of renewed hype about QML but I keep wondering what it's buying you over the traditional widgets in non-embedded envs (where you might want to profit from OpenGL acceleration for performance reasons).

Am I missing something? I would love to love QML, as I love Qt and I see that widgets are clearly on their way out...

My experience is indeed more on the embedded and mobile side of things, where hardware acceleration and animations are indeed a major selling point.

I'd let others with more experience on desktop QML vs. widgets to judge their respective strengths, my comment was more about Qt vs. non-Qt frameworks. That makes QML the topic as it's currently the main UI development story for Qt.

Are you sure? I'm building a cross platform desktop application at the moment. I briefly considered QML, but decided against it because I care about high-DPI support and native look & feel on Windows, and it seems like Qt Quick Controls 1 doesn't provide the former and Qt Quick Controls 2 doesn't provide the latter.

Because of this, I'm a bit disappointed that Qt 5.8 alpha doesn't have anything interesting for Qt Widgets users. Qt Widgets is the best cross-platform UI framework out there, but Qt Quick is, at least from my perspective, a bit mediocre.

I don't have much experience with Qt, although I had done a few toy applications since the early KDE 2.0 days with it.

The last attempt was a small mobile app for Android/WP that I ended up rewriting in Java,C++/CX + C++11, because of the issues I had with Qt 5.4.

However I still follow the announcements and get the feeling that they are trying to re-purpose Qt in the same way that JavaFX, WPF/XAML and mobile OS UI stacks have done, but it is still catching up with their feature sets.

I don't want iOS look at all

Most iOS users using iOS apps want, though.

Most iOS user or Android users don't know and don't care, if we're being honest. If you said "power users" or "developers", then it's a different story. I long for the days of the iOS 4.2 UI, but that's just me preferring distinctive widgets over a flat sea of mostly-white indistinguishable things.

Personally, I would rather that apps follow the paradiggem (int.) established for the platform, so that there are fewer surprises. So, if you're on OS X, look and feel like an OS X app, ditto for IOS.

QT looks and feels like QT and takes a lot of it's cues from Windows (near as I can tell) so no QT app feels like it belongs on a Mac at all.

I wasn't aware you can write apps using QuickTime ;)

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