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Clojure doesn't even have types.

I think the languages aren't really comparable from a maturity and support pov. Clojure is mainly done by hobbyists and enthusiasts. There is a large gap in terms of tooling that can't be closed in a few years.

> Why not just use Clojure?

I guess as a professional Python developer, it would take some time to get used to all the parentheses. I've used Emacs for 20+ years, but outside of elisp I've never been comfortable with s-exprs.

I had never heard of om.next. I think this is what you mean: https://github.com/omcljs/om ?? correct?

> And managing complexity is not something you can benchmark in toy projects - every single framework is virtually the same at such a small scale.

Well, looking at how much garbage was needed to implement todomvc in Backbone kept me from considering it any further :)

> looking at how much garbage was needed to implement todomvc in Backbone kept me from considering it any further

And in this you were wise! Or at the very least fortunate.

Or just use Javascript as-is, with perhaps Node.js or Nashorn on the back end.

But I actually like Javascript.

And not so much care for the transpiler hoop jumping routine.

I like my types, without runtime overhead of type checks