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>And it makes you a second (if we're being generous)-class citizen to all the mail servers to which you will likely attempt to deliver mail. Good luck getting GMail to accept mail to the inbox of your friends from your TurnKeyLinux MTA in a box or whatever, or just because you managed to apt-get install postfix and get it to communicate with your client. Having run mail servers for a hosting company with tens of thousands of servers, the easy answer for most people is "don't do it, not ever ever".

So your saying google (and a few others) broke a fundamental part of the internet?

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"So your saying google (and a few others) broke a fundamental part of the internet?"

Yes, yes they did.

I run my own mailserver for personal email as well as for rsync.net and 0x.co. It's trivially easy to do from a technical standpoint and simple to lock down to prevent abuse.

The problem is that yes, in fact, google/gmail will drop email, by default, into gmail users' spam folder from a privately run email server.

Specifically, I mean that with squeaky clean IP addresses from your own squeaky clean private allocation, with a mail server properly configured with DKIM signing and a DMARC record, etc., etc., and 10/10 non-spamminess scores from mail-tester.com, you will be treated as spam by default by gmail.

It's total horseshit. It's "evil".

If the most simple, least common denominator, least technically challenging aspect of being a peer on the network is thwarted by google, how will they behave towards things that are actually interesting ? How will we run our own asterisk exchanges and create our own micro-cloud-hosts and host our own websites from a routable ipv6 address that we have in our home ?

I don't have that problem, mails from my private server are delivered to people's gmail-inboxes without fuss.

I've had that problem, trying to send myself automated messages.

Ditto.

> The problem is that yes, in fact, google/gmail will drop email, by default, into gmail users' spam folder from a privately run email server.

That alone is the reason to not use gmail, if any of you think it hasn't happened to you, trust me it will.

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