Comment by 59nadir | Hacker News Reader

Comment by 59nadir | Hacker News Reader

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No, I think the real issue here is people taking languages personally, when there really shouldn't be any reason to. It's very interesting that people form such a personal bond with programming languages, to the point where they will refuse to see how they could be perceived as bad, or cumbersome.

Pretty much everyone does it, myself included, and it's one of the more problematic things when it comes to actually discussing languages. People just won't accept that their "baby" (or pet, as was mentioned below) might just be bad.

While elitism isn't great, not all criticism and ranting is done from a "We're/I'm better than you" perspective and most rants aren't directed at people. The people using language X might feel they are, but that's simply their own insecurity showing. I think a good portion of defensive posts show this fairly clearly.

In the end, is it really that surprising that some of the newer ideas are better than old ideas? Why is it only "fair" to say that a later version of X is better than an earlier version of X, but not that Y can be better than X?

> It's very interesting that people form such a personal bond with programming languages, to the point where they will refuse to see how they could be perceived as bad, or cumbersome.

From what I've seen and personally experienced, this happens most often when someone is only strong in that one language. If you've only ever used that language to build applications and someone comes along telling you it sucks, it feels like a personal attack because it would mean you've been doing things wrong or your code/applications suck. It's part of an identity. As people learn new languages and actually gain professional experience with them, that original language is no longer what defines them as a programmer so they no longer need to defend its legitimacy.

Great post; completely agree. I feel a lot of us associate "things" like programming languages with our identity. So if our identity is attacked, we take it personal.

Generally you'd think new ideas would win out on old ideas. But you hope the new at least learns from the old. No need to repeat mistakes. This is the criticism I usually see from BSDs towards Linux or programmers towards Golang. Not that I disagree/agree, just an observation.

I absolutely agree that lots of new stuff is not necessarily better than the old. Particularly when they end up more complicated than what preceded them. I think maybe I overstated the issue of time (what came before, etc.). I should've written it more generally: "Is it inconceivable that one idea/concept/product/language might be better than another?"

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